Re: Tapes and close to a quarter-century.

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lots of companies are going disk based backups w/ tapes for offsite too. But that's not archiving. For achiving data for long periods of time (100+ years, you need a product that deals with some of the compliance regs like SOX and HIPPA. Netapp is rumored

Re: Rackmount shopping

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This isn't really related to Linux persay, but I'm sure someone here can help. I'm looking to buy a bunch of rackmount accessories for our new datacenter installation at work, including shelves, power strips, cable guides, etc. Has anyone got a

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the reasons I exclusively use the IMAP protocol for email is the fact I can migrate my mailbox folder layouts to *any* IMAP client on different computers. With POP, you're kinda stuck with the computer and client you initially use. I'm not sure I

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Paul Lussier writes: I use fetchmail, it speaks pop and IMAP. My messages are stored in text files. I can easily move my messages to any computer and client I want with tar and scp. Please tell us how you'd use tar and scp to copy your messages over to a machine that uses (for example) the

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Thursday 02 November 2006 10:29 am, Paul Lussier wrote: I can easily move my messages to any computer and client I want with tar and scp. You can move them. With IMAP, he doesn't have to. His folder structure and server-side sorting rules work regardless of what client he connects from,

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/2/06, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use fetchmail, it speaks pop and IMAP. My messages are stored in text files. I can easily move my messages to any computer and client I want with tar and scp. Please tell us how you'd use tar and scp to copy your messages over to a

[GNHLUG] Reminder: CentraLUG, November 6th (Monday!) and dinner plans

2006-11-02 Thread Ted Roche
The monthly meeting of CentraLUG, the Concord/Central NH GNHLUG chapter, happens the first Monday of (most) month on the New Hampshire Institute Campus starting at 7 PM. NEW: An informal gathering/dinner at 5:45 at Panera's, Fort Eddy Road to meet the speaker, eat, socialize, network.

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Kevin D. Clark
mike ledoux writes: Reframe the question, use a text based mailer and ssh to your mail from anywhere. Beware one-true-wayism. I bet 100NGN (Nigeria's currency) that Paul gets screen into his response. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E Never could stand that dog.

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better still, explain how one can switch between the two machines and still access all the same mail, using Eudora on one and Thunderbird on the other. There's a much simpler answer: - use 1 client - use ssh - use screen -- Seeya, Paul (an ssh,

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin D. Clark) writes: Paul Lussier writes: I use fetchmail, it speaks pop and IMAP. My messages are stored in text files. I can easily move my messages to any computer and client I want with tar and scp. Please tell us how you'd use tar and scp to copy your messages

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin D. Clark) writes: mike ledoux writes: Reframe the question, use a text based mailer and ssh to your mail from anywhere. Beware one-true-wayism. I bet 100NGN (Nigeria's currency) that Paul gets screen into his response. Yep :) -- Seeya, Paul

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/2/06, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, explain how one can switch between the two machines and still access all the same mail, using Eudora on one and Thunderbird on the other. Reframe the question, use a text based mailer and ssh to your mail from anywhere. Beware

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/2/06, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reframe the question, use a text based mailer and ssh to your mail from anywhere. Beware one-true-wayism. I bet 100NGN (Nigeria's currency) that Paul gets screen into his response. And Emacs! ;-) -- Ben

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/2/06, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better still, explain how one can switch between the two machines and still access all the same mail, using Eudora on one and Thunderbird on the other. Reframe the question, use a text based mailer and ssh

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And my point is that the client is ultimately irrellevent, if the point is access to the data long term (oh, wait, am I conflating two threads? /me checks subject line Yep. Sorry, I was thinking we were in the tape/long-term data storage

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Thursday 02 November 2006 03:01 pm, Paul Lussier wrote: As one who's only really used 3 different e-mail clients over a 12-15+ year period, how often do others here switch mail clients? And why? I find it annoying to switch mail clients since they all have wildly different UIs. So, I tend

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 11/2/06, Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just say the ability to change clients is not nearly as relevant as changing my access locations. I can check my mail from my Treo, my laptop, my desktop, my webmail if I'm on a public terminal, etc. I am always looking at the same

Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Thomas Charron
Ok guys and gals, I'm looking at dists that are out there, and I'm really leaning twards Gentoo for my laptop dual boot/VMWare. This is a brandy spankin new laptop, Toshiba P105-9722, Intel Core 2 Duo 7400, 2 gigs ram, blahblah. What are people opinions of the 'state of distros' right now? I

Re: Microsoft to sell Suse Linux?

2006-11-02 Thread Bruce Dawson
Ben Scott wrote: On 11/2/06, Dan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its hit /. and Digg and I'm still dumbfounded about it. Hmmm. Microsoft will offer sales support of Suse Linux. What does that actually *mean*, I wonder? I believe it means that Redhat is under severe attack, and I smell

Re: Microsoft to sell Suse Linux?

2006-11-02 Thread jsf
I'd heard that there was a poll that said that 20% of Windows users plan to switch to Linux (Ubuntu?) once Vista comes out. DUnno if that's relevant or not. Cheers, Joshua On 11/2/06, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Scott wrote: On 11/2/06, Dan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Dan Miller
Speaking as a gentoo user, gentoo is a pain to setup, but nice to maintain. As for laptops, any linux distro can be hard to get to run right on laptops. Browse the forums, and see if people are having issues with the model laptop you have. A new video card you probably would have to

Re: Microsoft to sell Suse Linux?

2006-11-02 Thread Jonathan Linowes
I think its in response to Oracle announcement last week that they'll be selling RH Linux On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Ben Scott wrote: On 11/2/06, Dan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its hit /. and Digg and I'm still dumbfounded about it. Hmmm. Microsoft will offer sales support of

Re: Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/2/06, Dan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking as a gentoo user, gentoo is a pain to setup, but nice to maintain. Can you expound more on the nice to maintain part? Or any other parts that you like about Gentoo? I've contemplated checking Gentoo out (just because I like to sample

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd just say the ability to change clients is not nearly as relevant as changing my access locations. I can check my mail from my Treo, my laptop, my desktop, my webmail if I'm on a public terminal, etc. I am always looking at the same mail

Re: Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Ben Currently running Debian etch, but has gotten tired of having the X server break every time I run 'apt-get upgrade' Scott Hmm, I'm running Debian mumbledy-something. I originally installed potato then started installing from /testing. Occassionally I

Debian experiences (was: Wonderful world of new dists)

2006-11-02 Thread Ben Scott
On 11/2/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Ben Currently running Debian etch, but has gotten tired of having the X server break every time I run 'apt-get upgrade' Scott ... installing the latest version of xxdiff which resulted in having to upgrade to the X.org stuff. Amazingly,

Re: Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Dan Miller
Can you expound more on the nice to maintain part? Or any other parts that you like about Gentoo? I've contemplated checking Gentoo out (just because I like to sample what's out there), but things like this: Gentoo has a script (at lest I think it is) call etc-update that will go

Re: Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Thomas Charron
Thanks for the input, I'm really liking the 'concept' behind Gentoo. It's like slackware, automated. ;-) On the other hand, god DAMNED, could they make it much harder to setup? ;-) My only downside to it right now is, GCC 4.1.1 doesn't have a processor type for the Intel Core 2 Duo 7400 chips

Re: Linux and fonts and Firefox and human-factors design

2006-11-02 Thread James R. Van Zandt
Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, even better. Do we put a knob in, and risk confusion and clutter? Or do we leave it out, and piss off everyone who considers that particular knob essential? If we put it in, do we spend

Re: Wonderful world of new dists..

2006-11-02 Thread Dan Miller
Yes KDE will take awhile, a few hours or so. One benchmark I've done: Compile X on 266Mhz: 8+ hours Also if you compile OpenOffice, that will also take quite a few many hours. As for slackware, I've been told that Slackware is like a stage 4 Gentoo install. Haven't used Slack, but that was