Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) 32-bit is good enough, since the single largest impact it'll have on
most applications at this particular time is simply address space... and
most people are content with 4 GB at this particular juncture.
My question is Why has this remained so for
Let's see what I can answer here, since I've been using FC5 6 on an
x64_64 (Intel) box at work for about 6 months, and my home machine runs
FC6 off-and-on with an AMD chip.
On 02/15/2007 12:55 AM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
On Feb 14, 2007, at 22:22, Paul Lussier wrote:
I find it mind-boggling
Trying to use PGP plugin for Sylpheed-Claws with two keys and it does
not appear to provide a way of selecting which key to use for signing a
given mail nor to allow the assignment of a key to a specific account.
Anyone using Sylpheed-claws found a way to do this?
TIA
Ed Lawson
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For me, the focus of the problem is why Sun, which is supposedly
64-bit savvy (discounting their late[r] arrival in the 64-bit market than
my alma mater DEC), hasn't released a Java plugin to which I can
create a symlink from, in the case of my SuSE 10.2 system,
/usr/lib64/firefox/plugins. I
Paul Lussier wrote:
Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) 32-bit is good enough, since the single largest impact it'll have on
most applications at this particular time is simply address space... and
most people are content with 4 GB at this particular juncture.
My question is Why has
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:42:40 -0500
Ed Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trying to use PGP plugin for Sylpheed-Claws with two keys and it does
not appear to provide a way of selecting which key to use for signing
a given mail nor to allow the assignment of a key to a specific
account. Anyone
On 02/15/2007 09:07 AM, Paul Lussier wrote:
I guess my argument or rather confusion is this. 64-bits is here, has
been for a while, and is stable. So why don't we see more of it?
It can't be just a matter of 32 bits is good enough.
For a majority of cases, 32 bits is good enough. What
Are we starting from the assumption that this is a meritocracy
where the best (insert your definition of best here)
design/implementation wins? If so, how do you explain X?
(replace X with Microsoft or whatever else suits your mood).
I just bought a system based on a 64bit AMD chip because I
On 2/15/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) nit pick Eh-hem. It may be double the number of address bits, but it
is woo more than double the address space. /nit pick
nit pick
Exactly how much more than double is a woo?
/nit pick
Quite specifically, it's one metric assload.
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We still have IPv4 over IPv5 because:
- IPv4 provides plenty of space once everyone realizes that all 5000
of their internal systems do not need to be reachable by an actual,
internet-routed IP address. (i.e. NAT has saved the day)
- IPv6 has taken forever and a day to get
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:57:32 -0500
Ed Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nevermind. I rely on docs instead of just playing around due to time
limitations. Always a bad idea. Started playing and found answer.
Sylpheed does have all the options one could ask for.
And more. Also be advised that it
On 2/15/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... they'd rather not have the employees explicitly aware
that the employer could read their e-mail ...
This may be preaching to the choir, but...
Be aware that such a policy (not telling employees of snooping) is
outright illegal in some
On 2/14/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find it mind-boggling that the Alpha came out what, 16-18 years ago
with 64 bit technology and it *still* hasn't caught on in the
mainstream. Why is that?
Well, AMD64 (64-bit address space only became available on
mainstream hardware a year
On 2/15/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* are there any gotchas with running 32-bit apps under a linux
that's native to x86-64?
Source or binary?
With source, well-written code just needs to be recompiled. Of
course, we all know that a lot, if not most, code is *NOT*
Binary: My understanding is that a 32-bit binary can be run under a
64-bit kernel, but you need a 32-bit environment to do so. So any
libraries the binary depends on also need to be built (for x86-32) and
installed in parallel with their x86-64 counterparts. I could be
wrong on this; I
Binary: My understanding is that a 32-bit binary can be run under
a 64-bit kernel, but you need a 32-bit environment to do so.
So any libraries the binary depends on also need to be built (for
x86-32) and installed in parallel with their x86-64 counterparts.
I could be wrong on this; I
On 2/15/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From an end-user perspective, do they need to care or know?
They would care if they knew what it would do for them.
What would AMD64 (or even the Alpha's feature set) do for the
typical end-user? I'm talking about the people browsing
On 2/15/07, Bayard Coolidge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me, the focus of the problem is why Sun, which is supposedly
64-bit savvy ...hasn't released a Java plugin to which I can
create a symlink from ...
I suspect Sun's Java division is completely separate from their
SPARC hardware division,
Binary: My understanding is that a 32-bit binary can be run under a
64-bit kernel, but you need a 32-bit environment to do so. So any
libraries the binary depends on also need to be built (for x86-32) and
installed in parallel with their x86-64 counterparts. I could be
wrong on this; I
On 2/15/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... It may be double the number of address bits, but it
is woo more than double the address space. ...
Exactly how much more than double is a woo?
Quite specifically, it's one metric assload.
What's that in imperial assloads?
-- Ben
On 2/15/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/15/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... It may be double the number of address bits, but it
is woo more than double the address space. ...
Exactly how much more than double is a woo?
Quite specifically, it's one metric assload.
On 2/14/07, Ken D'Ambrosio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1a) Though, of course, there will be one other 64-bit application to
become of considerable importance to the *nix community by, oh, 2038.
Hopefully 32-bit will be mooter than moot by then.
Depending on the situation, it may be possible to
Correction: Windows 2003 R2 x64 supports a full 64-bit address
space, and I'm pretty sure Win XP Pro x64 does as well. See my other
message in this thread about how support for those sucks, though.
Right. I think you actually made my case, didn't you? Microsoft did
not support 64-bit
On 2/15/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correction: Windows 2003 R2 x64 supports a full 64-bit address
space, and I'm pretty sure Win XP Pro x64 does as well. See my other
message in this thread about how support for those sucks, though.
Right. I think you actually made my
On 2/15/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**Yes, I did take into account leap years, and unlike Microsoft, I know
that every four hundred years we skip one.
You might only skip one every four hundred years, but the Internet
(Gregorian Calendar) skips 3 - it only adds one if the
From: Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What would AMD64 (or even the Alpha's feature set) do for the
typical end-user? I'm talking about the people browsing the web and
writing email and downloading music and looking at porn. These people
aren't doing 6-way SQL JOIN's or loading the
On 2/15/07, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some thoughts on this topic by Eric Raymond here, in the broader context
of What will be the dominant 64-bit OS:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html
Everyone writing in this(these) thread(s) should
On 2/15/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correction: Windows 2003 R2 x64 supports a full 64-bit address
space, and I'm pretty sure Win XP Pro x64 does as well. See my other
message in this thread about how support for those sucks, though.
Right. I think you actually made my
Ben Scott writes:
Then there's the fact that every moron programmer in the world (and
there are legions of moron programmers) assume integers and pointers
are 32-bits, and their code breaks horribly if recompiled for a 64-bit
architecture. So even if you have source, it's not just a
On 2/15/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Microsoft doesn't support a 64-bit address space, even today,
in Vista. Hey, it's only been like, what, 14 years since the Alpha
came out? Don't rush them...
64 bit OSen:
Alpha OSF/1 1993
SGI Irix 6.0 in 1994
Alpha OpenVMS 1995
Sun
On 2/15/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/15/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Microsoft doesn't support a 64-bit address space, even today,
in Vista. Hey, it's only been like, what, 14 years since the Alpha
came out? Don't rush them...
64 bit OSen:
Alpha OSF/1 1993
I should be there tonight, hopefully around 5:30 or so.
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On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 15:43 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote:
On 2/15/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/15/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, Microsoft doesn't support a 64-bit address space, even today,
in Vista. Hey, it's only been like, what, 14 years since the Alpha
On 2/15/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Timeline:
May, 1994 - Met Linus Torvalds at DECUS in New Orleans after funding his
trip to speak on Lyenooks. Saw Leenooks for the first time.*
*SNIP*
maddog, that's an awesome little writeup. :-D Note next reply below, however..
On 2/15/07, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason why we find ourselves in this mess is because we treat
programming as a task (or, some would even say, an art) instead of
what it actually is: engineering.
And the choir will now sing back the chorus... ;-)
-- Ben
maddog, that's an awesome little writeup. :-D
Actually, the story was much stranger and more unbelievable than that.
If I told you the whole story, you would probably think I was lying, or
at least making it up in some places.
That is what is so amazing about this project and this
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:56:15 -0500
Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I actually thought that VMS was 64-bit right from the get-go on Alpha
(1993), but I could be wrong on that
No. It was 32-bits on the Alpha and still is. I followed up on that
last year at the IDF in Houston. It
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 17:25 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:56:15 -0500
Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I actually thought that VMS was 64-bit right from the get-go on Alpha
(1993), but I could be wrong on that
No. It was 32-bits on the Alpha and still
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:35:23 -0500
Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course having VMS only 32-bit on the VAX made sense, as you could not
get the architecture to be 64-bit.
If Alpha VMS was only 32-bit, I would think that would have been another
classic mistake by Digital. If
Ben Scott wrote:
On 2/15/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... It may be double the number of address bits, but it
is woo more than double the address space. ...
Exactly how much more than double is a woo?
Quite specifically, it's one metric assload.
What's that in imperial
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On Feb 15, 2007, at 11:28, Ben Scott wrote:
Be aware that such a policy (not telling employees of snooping) is
outright illegal in some jurisdictions, and is a legal minefield in
others. Or so I'm told.
Yeah, it's amazing what some people don't care about. I left when it
was decided that
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