Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/22/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, please. Do you really think Thomson is going to agree to license for perpetual unlimited distribution to other parties? If they did, then *everyone else* could use the same license, and their *entire revenue stream* from MP3 would evap

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> It's friggen insane that they're choosing to enforce the patent NOW, > after so many years. > No, I call it the "Unisys theory". Many years ago Hoffman encoding was used for the AT&T pack(1) command. AT&T used it, BSD used it, Sun used it, etc. and it had been published in many books. It

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> Some of > which are local in Massachusetts and are, needless to say, very large. > Yes, and right now I would think they are shaking in their boots. The good news is that the Alcatel/Lucent vs MS battle seems as much a grudge match as a revenue stream at this point. >Alcatel-Lucent's Ambrus d

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/22/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html > 50,000$ one time up front fee, and they can solve the issue of an > Open Source MP3 player. For everyone. Oh, please. Do you really th

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> 50,000$ one time up front fee, and they can solve the issue of an > Open Source MP3 player. For everyone. > It was inadvertent that my news article about the $1.5 billion dollar settlement on MP3 technology crossed your email about mp3 licensing, but I did want to point out that I do not thi

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Speaking of MP3s and "being sued to smithereens". http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6161480.html?tag=nl.e589 And it could not have happened to nicer people... QQ Thanks for the link, I wasn't aware of that particular news article. I

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/22/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html 50,000$ one time up front fee, and they can solve the issue of an Open Source MP3 player. For everyone. Oh, please. Do you really think Thomson is going to agree to license for perpetua

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 17:21 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: > On 2/22/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And be able to do some core desktop features. Like say.. Play MP3 > > files.. :-D > > In order for Red Hat (or the "Fedora Project"; I'm not sure about > legal status there) to in

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/22/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And be able to do some core desktop features. Like say.. Play MP3 > files.. :-D In order for Red Hat (or the "Fedora Project"; I'm not sure about legal status there) to include MP3 supp

Re: Realtime disk encryption options

2007-02-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/22/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It can actually maintain deniability by encrypting data in such a way that giving one pasword decrypts to one filesystem, and different password another, encrypting the data front to back for the 'right' credentials, and back to front for the

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/22/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And be able to do some core desktop features. Like say.. Play MP3 files.. :-D In order for Red Hat (or the "Fedora Project"; I'm not sure about legal status there) to include MP3 support in their distribution, they would have to *buy*

Re: Ahh, a "standard" cake

2007-02-22 Thread Seth Cohn
Which seem to be Canon printers but don't list which model... Found it (on a completely different page... bad design) http://www.photofrost.com/icing_sheets.htm Yet according to http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon many of these are duds under Linux. So depending on the mo

Re: Ahh, a "standard" cake

2007-02-22 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
On 2/22/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just about lost it when I saw this: http://www.thisisbroken.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/cake.jpg This story came up on Engadget about a month ago. If anyone is curious on a few more details, take a look. http://www.engadg

Re: Ahh, a "standard" cake

2007-02-22 Thread Seth Cohn
On 2/22/07, Seth Cohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, this sort of thing is why "open source" is so important: When it doesn't work correctly, we can always fork it. And before you accuse me of being half-baked, consider: http://www.photofrost.com They use (no surprise) OSCommerce to sell

Re: Ahh, a "standard" cake

2007-02-22 Thread Seth Cohn
On 2/22/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just about lost it when I saw this: http://www.thisisbroken.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/cake.jpg At first I thought it was intentional, being a geek :) Actually, this sort of thing is why "open source" is so important: When

Re: Ahh, a "standard" cake

2007-02-22 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Man, I need a cake printer so I can be a super spy... print all my secret messages on tasty muffins, no one will ever forget to destroy the messages after reading. --DTVZ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.

Ahh, a "standard" cake

2007-02-22 Thread Paul Lussier
I just about lost it when I saw this: http://www.thisisbroken.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/cake.jpg At first I thought it was intentional, being a geek :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE A: Yes.

Any luck with free SuperMicro boards, me == beep codes

2007-02-22 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
Anyone have any luck with their SuperMicro boards? I finally got around to trying to bring mine up this past weekend without success. I had a spare P3-733 floating around and a 1U case with an old Intel (Celeron only) desktop board. I swapped the Intel board for the SuperMicro, swapped the PC100

Re: Realtime disk encryption options

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 21, 2007, at 17:26, Thomas Charron wrote: > It can > actually maintain deniability by encrypting data in such a way that > giving one pasword decrypts to one filesystem, and different password > another, encrypting the data front to bac

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See the above request. How? What is the context? * Effectively abandoning the struggle for desktop market share. * Failure to address the problem of proprietary multimedia formats with any attitude other than blank denial.

Re: Realtime disk encryption options

2007-02-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 21, 2007, at 17:26, Thomas Charron wrote: It can actually maintain deniability by encrypting data in such a way that giving one pasword decrypts to one filesystem, and different password another, encrypting the data front to back for the 'right' credentials, and back to front for the fak

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> > > Part of ESR's latest statements in this letter have to do directly with > > this issue. > > See the above request. How? What is the context? > * Effectively abandoning the struggle for desktop market share. * Failure to address the problem of proprietary multimedia formats

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I find Alan to be too much like ESR to put any stock in his words. This is, afterall, the same guy that censored the kernel changelog back in 2.2.20 because he didn't like the DMCA Oh common, that was friggen hilarious! -- -- Thom

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread klussier
-- Original message -- From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I could not agree with you more, which is why I sent my email. I like reading the source. It gives it a nice context, and the humor value of the replies is worth the time. > I liked Alan Cox'

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 11:39 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote: > On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right up till the: > "That was said by Eric Raymond who belongs to another movement" > -

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 11:39 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote: > On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I could not agree with you more, which is why I sent my email. > > I liked Alan Cox's response the best. > > Right up till the: > > "That was said by Eric Raymond who

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:26:34 -0500 "Chris Linstid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't this the same guy that made such a huge deal a few years ago > about getting a "phone interview offer" from Microsoft? He wrote some > offensive letter back to the recruiter saying he was an idiot for > trying t

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:24:07 -0500 "Jon 'maddog' Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could not agree with you more, which is why I sent my email. > > I liked Alan Cox's response the best. The whole thing is much adoo about nothing. I loved Alan's response. But, this also points out that the Li

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Thursday, Feb 22nd 2007 at 10:51 -0500, quoth Ben Scott: =>On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: =>> I prefer to read the original source from the original target: =>> www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.html => => His complaints seem rather vague

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I could not agree with you more, which is why I sent my email. I liked Alan Cox's response the best. Right up till the: "That was said by Eric Raymond who belongs to another movement" - Richard Stallman N

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Chris Linstid
Isn't this the same guy that made such a huge deal a few years ago about getting a "phone interview offer" from Microsoft? He wrote some offensive letter back to the recruiter saying he was an idiot for trying to recruit such an important big cheese of the Linux community. - Chris On 2/22/07

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I could not agree with you more, which is why I sent my email. I liked Alan Cox's response the best. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I prefer to read the original source from the original target: www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.html His complaints seem rather vague and lacking in any kind of goal. More to the point, who cares? "Linux

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Kevin D. Clark
One of the responses was pretty good: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01051.html Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E Never could stand that dog. alumni.unh.edu!kdc -- Tom Waits ___

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 09:29 -0500, Michael ODonnell wrote: > Eric Raymond rants: > > "After thirteen years as a loyal Red Hat and Fedora user, I reached > my limit today, when an attempt to upgrade one (1) package pitched > me into a four-hour marathon of dependency chasing, at the end of > whi

ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-22 Thread Michael ODonnell
Eric Raymond rants: "After thirteen years as a loyal Red Hat and Fedora user, I reached my limit today, when an attempt to upgrade one (1) package pitched me into a four-hour marathon of dependency chasing, at the end of which an attempt to get around a trivial file conflict rendered my syste