MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Ted Roche
Paul Lussier wrote: It is lacking features[1][2], and I've certainly seen plenty (if not most) uses of MySQL completely abuse it to the point where the developer completely missed the R point RDB[3]. Most programmers are amateurs. Even the really, really good ones. Business application

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Scott
On 7/31/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Berkus blogs, ... should be picking a database based on which specific ... features, they need in their database and not out of some ignorant assessment that Database X is way faster. Are you saying that decisions should be made based on

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 10:39 -0400, Ted Roche wrote: Paul Lussier wrote: It is lacking features[1][2], and I've certainly seen plenty (if not most) uses of MySQL completely abuse it to the point where the developer completely missed the R point RDB[3]. Most programmers are amateurs.

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Scott
I've heard it said that MySQL is the ideal database for programmers who don't understand databases. No annoyances like stored procedures and server constraints to get in the way of your application code scribbling all over the tables. ;-) Of course, I gather MySQL has improved a fair bit in

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
No annoyances like stored procedures Oh well, they just added stored procedures in 5.0 md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Bill Sconce
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:39:32 -0400 Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Lussier wrote: It is lacking features[1][2], and I've certainly seen plenty (if not most) uses of MySQL completely abuse it to the point where the developer completely missed the R point RDB[3]. Most

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Marc Nozell
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:53:23AM -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: No annoyances like stored procedures Oh well, they just added stored procedures in 5.0 And a bunch of other useful features such as triggers, views and more storage engines for specialized database needs (some via 3rd

Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Scott
On 7/31/07, Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Bridges give us some EXCELLENT examples of what happens when an engineer goes a little bit amateur. You've probably seen a video of the Tacoma Narrows bridge coming apart.) In fairness to the engineers behind the Tacoma Narrows bridge, I

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Scott
On 7/31/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well, they just added stored procedures in 5.0 On 7/31/07, Marc Nozell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a bunch of other useful features such as triggers, views and more storage engines for specialized database needs (some via 3rd parties).

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm gonna have to start putting a Please read and consider my entire message before replying notice at the top of all my posts... But that would eliminate much of the hilarity ensuing from those who take snippets of your posts completely out of context :)

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tuesday 31 July 2007 01:14:40 pm Ben Scott wrote: On 7/31/07, Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Bridges give us some EXCELLENT examples of what happens when an engineer goes a little bit amateur. You've probably seen a video of the Tacoma Narrows bridge coming apart.) In

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread John Abreau
On Tue, July 31, 2007 2:54 pm, Jarod Wilson said: Ooh, ooh, everyone who's driven across the Tacoma Narrows bridge multiple times raise your hand! /me raises hand... Wow! You don't *look* that old, grampa! :-) -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux Unix IM: [EMAIL

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tuesday 31 July 2007 03:10:03 pm John Abreau wrote: On Tue, July 31, 2007 2:54 pm, Jarod Wilson said: Ooh, ooh, everyone who's driven across the Tacoma Narrows bridge multiple times raise your hand! /me raises hand... Wow! You don't *look* that old, grampa! :-) Why would I need to

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Ray Cote
At 2:54 PM -0400 7/31/07, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 31 July 2007 01:14:40 pm Ben Scott wrote: On 7/31/07, Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Bridges give us some EXCELLENT examples of what happens when an engineer goes a little bit amateur. You've probably seen a video of the

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Thomas Charron
On 7/31/07, Ray Cote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:54 PM -0400 7/31/07, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 31 July 2007 01:14:40 pm Ben Scott wrote: The twin for the Tacoma Narrows bridge is not that far down the road, in Deer Isle Maine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Isle,_Maine Someone

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tuesday 31 July 2007 04:33:04 pm Thomas Charron wrote: On 7/31/07, Ray Cote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:54 PM -0400 7/31/07, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 31 July 2007 01:14:40 pm Ben Scott wrote: The twin for the Tacoma Narrows bridge is not that far down the road, in Deer Isle

Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...)

2007-07-31 Thread Ric Werme
One symptom which indicates that programmers are amateurs is that they prematurely optimize. That's certainly true in compiler design, but ... More HP! Oh - hp. I thought you were talking about printers. :-) So real engineers laugh at the 10 more horsepower crowd. Yes, but, one

OpenFoam (was Re: Tacoma Narrows bridge (was: MySQL v. PostgreSQL ...))

2007-07-31 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Someone explain to me again exactly how these bridges run Linux? :-P Perhaps there were computational fluid dynamics models of the bridges that were run on Linux? ;) And there is a very nice CFD package called OpenFoam that runs on Linux and is GPLed. It has come highly recommended

Re: MySQL v. PostgreSQL, continued, was: Microsoft Access - two questions

2007-07-31 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 13:54 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm gonna have to start putting a Please read and consider my entire message before replying notice at the top of all my posts... But that would eliminate much of the hilarity ensuing from those