Re: verizon DNS helper

2007-11-15 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 23:40, Chip Marshall wrote: On November 14, 2007, Ben Scott sent me the following: I suggest just running your own caching resolver (ISC BIND named, tinydns, whatever) and bypassing the ISP's mess entirely. Probably doable for now, but there's nothing

Re: Gimme that old time interface...

2007-11-15 Thread Ted Roche
Ben Scott wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 9:03 PM, Ric Werme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I still have no good idea of exactly what Gnome is and isn't ... That's okay, the GNOME developers have the same problem. HHOS. Is this a corollary to the Peter Principle that any software project will

Re: Gimme that old time interface...

2007-11-15 Thread TARogue
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ben Scott wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 10:27 AM, TARogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with most of those is that they are FVWM2, which is nothing at all like regular FVWM. The config file syntax was heavily modified in FVWM version 2.x, no question. For the

Re: Gimme that old time interface...

2007-11-15 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 15, 2007 9:30 AM, TARogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't even find the right places to put my file edits from 1.x ... I assume you mean what and where in the config file. And not where the actual file was supposed to go. :) Basically, with FVWM 2, a lot of things were made

Re: verizon DNS helper

2007-11-15 Thread Tom Buskey
On Nov 14, 2007 11:40 PM, Chip Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On November 14, 2007, Ben Scott sent me the following: I suggest just running your own caching resolver (ISC BIND named, tinydns, whatever) and bypassing the ISP's mess entirely. Probably doable for now, but there's nothing

Re: can't telnet out port 25

2007-11-15 Thread Chris
On 11/15/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 15, 2007 11:00 AM, Charlie Farinella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first assumption was that they (GoDaddy) are blocking outward traffic on port 25, so I called them, but they say they are not. I suspect they lied:

Re: can't telnet out port 25

2007-11-15 Thread Charlie Farinella
On Thursday 15 November 2007, Ben Scott wrote:   What happens when you try?  Do you get an error message?  Does it just sit forever waiting to connect? # telnet mail.appropriatesolutions.com 25 Trying 63.131.36.2... telnet: connect to address 63.131.36.2: No route to host telnet: Unable to

Re: can't telnet out port 25

2007-11-15 Thread Charlie Farinella
On Thursday 15 November 2007, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: Can you pint that host? No route to host generally indicates you cannot even ping an address, due to having no connection to it. What happens when you telnet to a known mail server. For example, telnet mail.neilschelly.com 25

Re: can't telnet out port 25

2007-11-15 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Thursday 15 November 2007 12:06, Charlie Farinella wrote: On Thursday 15 November 2007, Ben Scott wrote:   What happens when you try?  Do you get an error message?  Does it just sit forever waiting to connect? # telnet mail.appropriatesolutions.com 25 Trying 63.131.36.2... telnet:

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Bob King
On Nov 13, 2007 2:17 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2007 7:41 PM, Jim Eden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an IBEW employed tech in NH. By the way, Sir, I wanted to thank you for taking the time, and having the courage, to voice your opinion and POV on this, in what was

Re: can't telnet out port 25

2007-11-15 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 11:50 -0500, Chris wrote: Also found this http://www.sematopia.com/?p=51 Might not be suitable for your application, but it is a way around the problem. So the PHP script is installed on some server that can send email and is accessible via port 80 which gets

Windows-Like Problem with Gnome

2007-11-15 Thread Ed lawson
Hopefully someone can point me to a possible solution to this problem. Using Debian ID and Gnome. Initially when I inserted a USB stick, an icon for it appeared on desktop and I could browse, etc files on it. No doubt after some upgrade, that behavior stopped. In the computer folder, when I plug

Re: can't telnet out port 25

2007-11-15 Thread Chris
On 11/15/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 11:50 -0500, Chris wrote: Also found this http://www.sematopia.com/?p=51 Might not be suitable for your application, but it is a way around the problem. So the PHP script is installed on some server that

Re: Gimme that old time interface...

2007-11-15 Thread mike ledoux
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 02:34:52PM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The big problem is that some idiot renamed the 'fvwm2' packages to 'fvwm' in FC5 or 6 ... I couldn't even *find* an FVWM (any version) packagein Fedora 5 or 6 (or maybe both; I forget). I think it got removed from the distro,

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread David Hardy
We have a POTS line (courtesy of Verizon) and three cells here in Montpelier, VT, and sometimes on our 7-acre farm we lose the cell connections, let alone driving north of here into the NEK where cell coverage is pretty much non-existent, ditto for the ride down I-89 between Royalton and Bellows

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Bob King
On Nov 15, 2007 3:17 PM, Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wireless is not nearly as all-encompassing as we think... I live in Nashua and yeah, great coverage... I head out to my buddies house in Allenstown and on my Verizon phone can't seem to find signal and eventually kills itself looking...

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Michael Costolo
On Nov 15, 2007 2:38 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 15, 2007 2:30 PM, Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find myself asking why anyone cares if they want to leave since they refuse to do business with so many of us. That's my thinking, too. My only concern is,

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Star
Couldn't some combination of wireless and VOIP make POTS redundant/unnecessary? Doesn't it already? Not even a little bit. Drive north of Concord NH and it starts to fall out in waves. I noticed Verizon doesn't want to ditch its wireless service (a separate company). I'm assuming that

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 14:30 -0500, Michael Costolo wrote: I find myself asking why anyone cares if they want to leave since they refuse to do business with so many of us. I think a major concern is that FairPoint may be paying so much for the franchise that debt service payments will prevent

Re: Gimme that old time interface...

2007-11-15 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 15, 2007 2:17 PM, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME, FVWM2 is more resource-intensive than FVWM, for comparable configurations. That's I'll agree with, especially depending on the source build configuration. FVWM 2 added support for quite a few more features and extensions, and

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Star
If the keepers of the POTS up and vanished... wow. What chaos, what opportunity would ensue! People would still want (or think they need) their telephone service, but there would be no shiny-logo company to take their money. These would seem to be the perfect conditions for small-time

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 15, 2007 4:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only imagine bands of Amateur Telephone Operators roaming the streets, rewiring at will. You can't attach your own lines to public utility poles without a permit. I know a business that tried that, just to cross the street to their

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:00:48 -0500 From: Michael Costolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just wonder, if POTS went away tomorrow, what would that mean in terms of its effect on residents and commercial businesses? I think it wouldn't affect me all that much because I have VOIP and cell phones. But

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Michael Costolo
On Nov 15, 2007 4:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it? :-) -- Ben I do now. Dang. Thanks. -Mike- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 15, 2007, at 14:38, Ben Scott wrote: My only concern is, what if FairPoint does turn into another Vitts? Financial meltdown could well disrupt POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) across the region, too. That would be worse. Vitts wasn't regulated the same way telcos are. e.g.:

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-15 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 15, 2007, at 15:00, Michael Costolo wrote: I'm assuming that Comcast serves the whole state and that their VOIP services are available everywhere, but that could be a bad assumption. This has been made intentionally hard to measure, by using ZIP coding to decorate coverage maps.

Re: Gimme that old time interface...

2007-11-15 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 15, 2007, at 08:09, Ted Roche wrote: Is this a corollary to the Peter Principle that any software project will expand to the point where it has lost track of what it was supposed to be doing? I'd like to offer an emacs exception to your corollary as emacs is _supposed_ to be