Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Star
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Peter Dobratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I want to setup a linux server at home to do backups from various computers around the house. Amanda looks promising ( http://amanda.zmanda.com/ ) If you might be contemplating letting the workstations manage their

[GNHLUG] TONIGHT: April 7th, CentraLUG, Coleman Kane, developing FOSS on Win32

2008-04-07 Thread Ted Roche
The monthly meeting of CentraLUG, the Concord/Central NH GNHLUG chapter, happens the first Monday of most months at the New Hampshire Technical Institute's Library, room 146, at 7 PM. Next month's meeting is on April 7th at 7 PM. Directions and maps are available at http://www.centralug.org Open

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. You have to be careful in the selection of the 2.5 inch drives that you put in the enclosures to have very low power requirements, but you can find 160 GB drives that do

Re: Some random topic, always changing [ was comcast does it again Port 25 ]

2008-04-07 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which government has granted the monopoly? It's usually ... state for Telco. Oh, it's worse than that. You forgot the whole ILEC vs CLEC quagmire, where the company owning the

Re: Some random topic, always changing [ was comcast does it again Port 25 ]

2008-04-07 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Paul Lussier writes: Also, by definition, the gov't *is* run by idiots, even when they get it right. Everyone gets lucky some of the time ;) If enough people espouse and extol this way of thinking, I'm pretty sure that this will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID:

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Mark Komarinski
Peter Dobratz wrote: So I want to setup a linux server at home to do backups from various computers around the house. Amanda looks promising ( http://amanda.zmanda.com/ ) For the backup server, I want to setup a separate box, probably running Debian. As the primary purpose of this computer

[OT] Some random topic, always changing [ was comcast does it again Port 25 ]

2008-04-07 Thread Michael ODonnell
This is all so totally fascinating that I urge you to create another mailing list (similar to gnhlug-jobs or gnhlug-announce) on which this discussion can be given the attention it deserves. After you've created that list and invited all interested parties to join it, I'm sure the resultant

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. FYI, from what I've read, some of those devices violate the USB spec, in terms of power

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I'd recommend buying from a vendor with an easy returns policy, just in case. I agree with Ben's warning, and perhaps I was not clear enough in my write-up that this was more or less a study and try scenario for those that would build their own, ergo easy returns policies and deep study of

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 09:37 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. You have to be careful in the selection of the 2.5 inch drives that you put in the enclosures to have very

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 11:14 -0400, Alex Hewitt wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 09:37 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. You have to be careful in the selection of the 2.5

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Transformer-based wall-wart efficiency: Typically 23 - 28 % Switching wall-wart efficiency: Typically 80 - 90% For a device that will be on 24/7, a switching supply pays for itself in less than a year in New England. --DTVZ On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Paul Lussier
Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe this item, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/; that measures power consumption might have been discussed on the list before but the same folks now offer a more sophisticated model:

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread V. Alex Brennen
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 22:07 -0400, Peter Dobratz wrote: For the backup server, I want to setup a separate box, probably running Debian. As the primary purpose of this computer is just to store the backups, my primary feature consideration is power requirements. Is there anything out there

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Drew Van Zandt
The Kill-a-watt loses all data on power loss; the other does not. Also, the displayed resolution on the kill-a-watt is a bit coarse for things like wall warts, though it apparently has higher internal resolution. I found it necessary to run a wall wart off of one for a full 48 hours to get

In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Jarod Wilson
I'm trying to find an nForce 2 motherboard, but it needs to be one with onboard FireWire, using the nForce 2's MCP-T (southbridge) for the FireWire functionality. Unfortunately, such boards are rather hard to find anywhere these days for a reasonable price. The onboard controller I'm looking for

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Bruce Dawson
The more sophisticated model has a USB interface. --Bruce PS: For 220, you can measure the two live legs using 2 separate meters. But in general, things like dryers and ranges will have the same readings for both legs. BTW: You're dealing with deadly power here. I don't recommend cobbling this

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 11:53 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe this item, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/; that measures power consumption might have been discussed on the list before but the same folks now offer a more

Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Thomas Charron
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let me know if you have one I could buy/borrow/trade for or if you would be willing to try some things out on it for me -- it *might* already be fixed by recent changes made to support another problematic

Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 12:48 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let me know if you have one I could buy/borrow/trade for or if you would be willing to try some things out on it for me -- it *might* already be fixed by

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, does anyone know of something like this that measures 220VAC as well? (I'd really like to know what my stove and clothes dryer cost me :) If you bought the appliance within the past 20 years or so, it should have

Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Shawn O'Shea
Isn't the MCP-T on lots of cheap nForce-2 based motherboards? I believe so, but I'm not seeing very many that actually have the FireWire functionality wired up. The Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe and Abit NF7-S v2 are the only two I can confirm have what I'm after. There may well be a Shuttle board

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Mark Komarinski
Ben Scott wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, does anyone know of something like this that measures 220VAC as well? (I'd really like to know what my stove and clothes dryer cost me :) If you bought the appliance within the past

Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Thomas Charron
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Shawn O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The manual for the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra says nVIDIA(R) nForce2TM MCP-T and Agere FW803 Phy chips, so I guess that's what you mean

Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:44 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Shawn O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The manual for the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra says nVIDIA(R) nForce2TM MCP-T and Agere FW803 Phy chips, so I guess that's what you mean

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
clothes dryer cost me All I know is that I have never, ever had quite the sensation of burying my nose in sheets and towels dried in a clothes drier as I had with clothes right off the clothes line. The lack of that fresh, clean, natural scent is what clothes driers cost me. md -- Jon maddog

Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...

2008-04-07 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:36 -0400, Shawn O'Shea wrote: The manual for the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra says nVIDIA® nForce2TM MCP-T and Agere FW803 Phy chips, so I guess that's what you mean (http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=1524CATEGORY_TYPE=MBSITE=US)

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread mike ledoux
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:53:00AM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe this item, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/; that measures power consumption might have been discussed on the list before but the same folks now offer a more

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:27 PM, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two of the cheap ones that I'd be happy to loan out ... Yah, if anyone wants to borrow my Kill-A-Watt, same deal. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

[GNHLUG] NHRuby.org Meeting on Tuesday April 15: Live hackfest and help session.

2008-04-07 Thread Scott Garman
We can't help you with your taxes, but we can help you with your Ruby code! What better way of celebrating mailing off your taxes (or filing for an extension) but attending the April meeting of the NH Ruby and Rails User Group? This month, we're going to do something especially fun. Have you been

Re: power meters

2008-04-07 Thread Ric Werme
PS: For 220, you can measure the two live legs using 2 separate meters. But in general, things like dryers and ranges will have the same readings for both legs. From what I remember of my stove wiring, the heating elements went directly between the + - 120V legs, and may not have had any

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dryer (at least mine) has different heat settings, which isn't reflected in the yellow sticker. While I'm not an appliance service tech, from what I've seen of that sort of thing, multiple heat settings usually

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Bob King
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the hard drives will be pushing things. Figure 15 watts per disk. Startup watts for the laptop drive I used in my new router was 4.5 watts. You pay more for a laptop drive, but the power usage is certainly

SLUG / GNHLUG Durham - Mon 14 Apr - Enlightenment Foundation Libraries

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
Who : Rob Anderson What : Enlightenment Foundation Libraries Date : Mon 14 Apr 2008 Time : 7 PM to 9 PM Where: Room 301, Morse Hall, UNH, Durham, NH == Enlightenment == The Enlightenment Window Manager was big in the late 90's. They're not dead yet. What used to be the Enlightenment Window

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Apr 7, 2008, at 23:10, Bob King wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the hard drives will be pushing things. Figure 15 watts per disk. Startup watts for the laptop drive I used in my new router was 4.5 watts. I've got a set of the