On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 07:14:40PM -0400, Ric Werme wrote:
> We used to make comparisons like "If the automobile industry had improved
> at the same rate as computers" It's been a long time since that made
> any sense - a car would travel at Mach 10, seat 1,500, get 500 mpg, and fold
> up and
Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ric Werme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We used to make comparisons like "If the automobile industry had improved
>> at the same rate as computers" It's been a long time since that made
>> any sense - a car would travel at Mach 10, seat 1,5
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ric Werme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We used to make comparisons like "If the automobile industry had improved
> at the same rate as computers" It's been a long time since that made
> any sense - a car would travel at Mach 10, seat 1,500, get 500 mpg, and fol
Bill McGonigle wrote:
> That seems to be the root cause of your troubles, no? Firefox
> installs your extensions into ~/.mozilla, so you don't get this
> problem - is this an open issue on Seamonkey?
That reminds me - make sure ~/.mozilla is recursively yours!
I seem to recall that having
On Sep 30, 2008, at 18:38, TARogue wrote:
> Both of these need to
> write in the seamonkey directory, so need to be installed as root.
> (Which is a whole nother issue I won't get into now.)
That seems to be the root cause of your troubles, no? Firefox
installs your extensions into ~/.mozilla
>> This from the guy who brought core memory to a LUG show-and-tell.
>>You always end up topping all the "I remember when" conversations. No
>>fair starting them, too. ;-)
>Sorry Ben, I really don't mean it to be a contest. I just do it every
>once in a while to put some reality back into wha
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Brian Chabot wrote:
> TARogue wrote:
> > For those who don't know, Seamonkey is the reincarnation of the Mozilla
> > suite.
> >
> > I just upgraded to seamonkey-1.1.12-1.fc8 using yum. I then had to
> > reinstall the add-ons adblock_plus and noscript. Both of these need to
TARogue wrote:
> For those who don't know, Seamonkey is the reincarnation of the Mozilla
> suite.
>
> I just upgraded to seamonkey-1.1.12-1.fc8 using yum. I then had to
> reinstall the add-ons adblock_plus and noscript. Both of these need to
> write in the seamonkey directory, so need to be i
For those who don't know, Seamonkey is the reincarnation of the Mozilla
suite.
I just upgraded to seamonkey-1.1.12-1.fc8 using yum. I then had to
reinstall the add-ons adblock_plus and noscript. Both of these need to
write in the seamonkey directory, so need to be installed as root.
(Which is
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 16:23, Thomas Charron wrote:
>> No, but I'm sure going to look at it now that you brought it up.
> sweet, let us know what you find.
> I almost wish this were a mainline ext3 option, per Tom's point, t
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Michael ODonnell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But how do you guarantee that the filesytem is snapshotted
> in a consistent state?
The filesystem driver in the kernel generally has mechanisms to make
sure all filesystem structures are consistent.
The trickier p
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I must admit that groff(1)ing goes much faster on modern-day machines
> than troff(1) did, but everything else seems to take the same amount of
> time.
Demand expands to consume all available resources.
-- Ben
_
> FWIW, NetAPP's WAFL and Sun's ZFS are COW file systems. COW makes
> it easy(ier?) to do snapshots.
I (think I) get how a COW approach is supposed to work; when
you decide to take a snapshot you throw The Big Switch and
from then on all writes to blocks on the "device" in question
(where the
>Did the computer you were hooking it up to even have 16MB of main
>memory in it?
Of course not.
I had it hooked up to a VAX 11/780 that was running Unix System 3 from
Bell Labs. At first we only had 1 MB of RAM, but I upgraded that to 4
MB (the max you could have with that system).
If I had
On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:17, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> All of that would assume that you were reading sequentially and not
> waiting for disk head movement and rotational delay aggravated by
> direct
> access techniques.
Yeah, but to be fair that drive you just bought is only giving you
the ca
On Sep 30, 2008, at 16:23, Thomas Charron wrote:
> No, but I'm sure going to look at it now that you brought it up.
sweet, let us know what you find.
I almost wish this were a mainline ext3 option, per Tom's point,
though I don't really know if that's a sensible wish, or what layer
COW rea
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 2008, at 13:22, Paul Lussier wrote:
> > Has anybody here ever played with the ext3cow filesystem? It does
> > versioning and aut
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 13:22, Paul Lussier wrote:
> Has anybody here ever played with the ext3cow filesystem? It does
> versioning and automatic snapshotting:
> http://www.ext3cow.com/Welcome.html
No, but I'm sure going
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 15:56 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 13:22, Paul Lussier wrote:
>
> > Check out either dirvish or bacula. I think it's dirvish.
I've personally come to somewhat despise bacula, for assorted reasons,
and...
> rsnapshot is yet another script that does it.
On Sep 30, 2008, at 13:22, Paul Lussier wrote:
> Check out either dirvish or bacula. I think it's dirvish.
rsnapshot is yet another script that does it. (actually, rsync does
all the heavy lifting - can we get a most-useful-utility-ever award
going for rsync?)
Has anybody here ever played
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Are these all one brand/model of machine? Or motherboard, if
>> they're whitebox?
>
> Yes, and yes.
Okay, so what's the make and model of motherboard, then? :)
So far, I've found this, which looks like it might be p
William Stearns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Good afternoon, all,
> (Sorry for the late reply! :-)
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> One of the cool features it offered was a series of hourly, nightly and
>> a monthly backup of files. We kind of surmised that it was s
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Are these all one brand/model of machine? Or motherboard, if
> they're whitebox?
Yes, and yes.
> If so, what is it? Do you happen to know who
> OEM'ed the BIOS on it (AMI, Phoenix, etc.)?
Phoenix.
> Sometimes there are manufacturer-specific tricks
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, and please keep the ideas coming...
Are these all one brand/model of machine? Or motherboard, if
they're whitebox? If so, what is it? Do you happen to know who
OEM'ed the BIOS on it (AMI, Phoenix, etc.)? Some
I lost the original posting, but have you tried biosdecode(8)? I think
its in Ubuntu's dmidecode package.
--Bruce
PS: I've never used biosdecode, so it may/may not work.
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Good afternoon, all,
(Sorry for the late reply! :-)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A co-worker and I were talking about various ways to do 'backups' to try and
> prevent data loss. The topic came around to a file system we had used
> at a previous job. I can
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> rites:
> Not access to BIOS perhaps, but something can be deduced by grepping
> through the output of, e.g. lshw, hwinfo and dmesg as well.
grepping dmesg is insufficient.
What is this lshw and hwinfo you speak of? My systems seem to be
lacking those commands.
farm-404: apt-
Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> One crude option that might work, depending on the age of the kernels
> and the drivers in said kernel:
>
> $ dmesg | grep -i ahci
The problem isn't to figure out which have SATA drives, but to figure
out if the BIOS is set correctly. dmesg isn't reliab
Good day, all,
(Sorry for the offtopic post; the conference isn't specifically
geared towards Linux, but may be of interest to people involved in network
security, policy issues, and/or education.)
Dartmouth will be hosting the 2nd Securing the eCampus conference
again this year
>It's about 6 Mb/s or just shy of 1MB/s. The entire data contents of
>RP06 then could have been fetched in about 200s (let's say 3min),
>compared to 1TB at 300MB/s and thus approx. 3000s or close to 1h.
All of that would assume that you were reading sequentially and not
waiting for disk head movem
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Paul Lussier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know a way to query BIOS settings from the command line in
> Linux? I need to find out if the SATA settings are set to IDE or AHCI
> on 100+ systems. It will really suck if I have to connect a console
>
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:23 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know a way to query BIOS settings from the command line in
> Linux? I need to find out if the SATA settings are set to IDE or AHCI
> on 100+ systems. It will really suck if I have to connect a console
> to each one
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know a way to query BIOS settings from the command line in
> Linux? I need to find out if the SATA settings are set to IDE or AHCI
> on 100+ systems. It will really suck if I have to connect a co
mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You can try dmidecode:
>
> http://linux.die.net/man/8/dmidecode
I did that:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>> dmidecode doesn't seem to give me this depth of information either
>> (though it does tell me an awful lot
You can try dmidecode:
http://linux.die.net/man/8/dmidecode
--
mark
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know a way to query BIOS settings from the command line in
> Linux? I need to find out if the SATA settings are set to IDE or
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Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> Šarūnas,
>
>> What was the transfer speed for the latter? Seek times for both? One
>> thing is to store data, another --- getting it, or finding it at all,
>> in time, that is...
>
> Well, at first I was simply going to wri
Hi all,
Does anyone know a way to query BIOS settings from the command line in
Linux? I need to find out if the SATA settings are set to IDE or AHCI
on 100+ systems. It will really suck if I have to connect a console
to each one and reboot into the BIOS...
I don't care if I can't change it, ac
>You might not really have 1024 GB in your disks :-/
Well, actually I would be happy to have only 1000 GB on my disk to have
a "Terabyte", but then we get to the whole discussion of what is a "GB",
and it is too early in the morning for that discussion and I have too
much real work to do.
Warmest
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael ODonnell sent around this URL:
>
>
> http://www.buy.com/prod/cavalry-1tb-dual-interface-usb-2-0-esata-external-hard-drive/q/loc/101/205986373.html
>
> and while I did not mean my original posting to be a "world
Michael ODonnell sent around this URL:
http://www.buy.com/prod/cavalry-1tb-dual-interface-usb-2-0-esata-external-hard-drive/q/loc/101/205986373.html
and while I did not mean my original posting to be a "worlds cheapest 2
Terabytes of disk" discussion, this deal certainly seems to be more
bytes p
Šarūnas,
>What was the transfer speed for the latter? Seek times for both? One
>thing is to store data, another --- getting it, or finding it at all,
>in time, that is...
Well, at first I was simply going to write you about how I was talking
about a 30+ year old disk drive from a computer company
http://www.buy.com/prod/cavalry-1tb-dual-interface-usb-2-0-esata-external-hard-drive/q/loc/101/205986373.html
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> This from the guy who brought core memory to a LUG show-and-tell.
>You always end up topping all the "I remember when" conversations. No
>fair starting them, too. ;-)
Sorry Ben, I really don't mean it to be a contest. I just do it every
once in a while to put some reality back into what has
>Excellent :-)
>Can you give a link to where you got these?
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=206821006&adid=17070&dcaid=17070
They are actually cheaper than the $238., because you get a $20. rebate
on one of themassuming you order them today, September 30th.
And by wiggling my ship
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Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> Tonight I bought TWO 1 Terabyte external disk drives, that
> transfer information at a rate of 300 Mbytes per second, for a total
> cost of $283.
>
> I remember that RP06 disk drives which I purchased for Bell Labs in the
>
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