Re: FLOSS-/hacker-friendly music-players?

2010-03-23 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
RD labrats producing `high-value IP' ... Yah, right. Like any of those types are going to leave that stuff behind. Sure, the rules say they have to leave them behind. The rules are ignored. Just like the rules about not bringing cell phones into hospitals, or turning them off

Re: Xerox Phaser 6280 DN review

2010-03-23 Thread Ted Roche
On 03/22/2010 10:12 PM, Benjamin Scott wrote: Excellent review, thanks, even if Linux is hardly mentioned ;) OTOH, since we usually never power off our printers, this is rarely an issue for us. Any idea of the power consumption when on, printing, or in standby? -- Ted Roche Ted Roche

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Larry Cook
Bill Freeman wrote: Way back when I was at Digital (as it then was) and before, we used to have a tool called 'xon'. It took as an argument the DNS name or IP address of a server on the net, connected to it, started a shell or optionally specified command, with the DISPLAY environment

Re: [OT] iPad

2010-03-23 Thread Chip Marshall
On 23-Mar-2010, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com sent: So any thoughts on the iPad? I think it's overpriced for what it does. For the same cost as the base model iPad you can buy a Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t, a convertible touchscreen netbook/tablet. It may not be as shiny as the Apple

Re: [OT] iPad

2010-03-23 Thread Alan Johnson
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Chip Marshall c...@2bithacker.net wrote: On 23-Mar-2010, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com sent: So any thoughts on the iPad? I think it's overpriced for what it does. For the same cost as the base model iPad you can buy a Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t, a

Re: Xerox Phaser 6280 DN review

2010-03-23 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Ted Roche tedro...@tedroche.com wrote: Any idea of the power consumption when on, printing, or in standby? Advertised spec is: Operating: 450 W Standby: 70 W Power save: 4.3 W (Not tested by me.)

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 03/22/2010 04:13 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: It seems like ssh is overkill for talking to a VM on your own box. You're running two operating systems on one piece of hardware. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Telephone: +1.603.448.4440 Email, IM, VOIP:

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Drew Van Zandt
You're running two operating systems on one piece of hardware. Substitute programs for operating systems and it *sounds* a lot different, and perfectly ordinary and yet it really isn't that different. Bitsness is bitsness. ;-) The difference between hardware and software is even getting

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 03/23/2010 12:03 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 03/22/2010 04:13 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: It seems like ssh is overkill for talking to a VM on your own box. You're running two operating systems on one piece of hardware. -Bill In a way I agree with Freeman. But, a VM can be

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill Freeman
On 03/22/2010 04:13 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: It seems like ssh is overkill for talking to a VM on your own box. You're running two operating systems on one piece of hardware. -Bill It's still overkill to force X11 through the encrypted pipe. Bill

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill Freeman
On 03/23/2010 12:03 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 03/22/2010 04:13 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: It seems like ssh is overkill for talking to a VM on your own box. You're running two operating systems on one piece of hardware. -Bill In a way I agree with Freeman. But, a VM

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Bill Freeman f...@ke1g.mv.com wrote: It's still overkill to force X11 through the encrypted pipe. You running out of electrons or something? ;-) Is it a problem? If not, don't fix it. :) -- Ben ___

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Michael ODonnell
It's still overkill to force X11 through the encrypted pipe. My understanding of X leads me to believe that as long as your clients can authenticate themselves to the server (and you've rigged your server such that it's willing to talk to anybody, local or remote, who can open a socket to it)

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill Freeman
It's still overkill to force X11 through the encrypted pipe. My understanding of X leads me to believe that as long as your clients can authenticate themselves to the server (and you've rigged your server such that it's willing to talk to anybody, local or remote, who can open a socket

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill Freeman
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Bill Freeman f...@ke1g.mv.com wrote: It's still overkill to force X11 through the encrypted pipe. You running out of electrons or something? ;-) Is it a problem? If not, don't fix it. :) -- Ben I didn't ask you to fix it Ben. But I'll fix it if

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Michael ODonnell
And, no, it's unnecessary to open the server to everyone. There are a number of host or cookie based means to limit who can connect. Right, I didn't mean that you needed to operate without authentication, just that if you leave the server's default 'nolisten tcp' behavior in effect you'll

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Ted Roche
On 03/23/2010 03:42 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: I didn't ask you to fix it Ben. But I'll fix it if I want to. :) Googling for X without ssh or X Forwarding without ssh brings up thousands of helpful tutorials on X Forwarding using SSH :) Here's an alternative suggestion, not as good as xon,

[GNHLUG] PySIG this week -- 3/25 2010

2010-03-23 Thread Bill Sconce
It's that week again. The week with the fourth Thursday in it. PySIG week! Yes, there will be a PySIG. Cookies are on order. Ted has kindly offered to bring the milk. (Thanks, Ted!) Likely topics: o Teaching Python to co-workers o PyCon report o Lyndeborough evacuation (?) 7:00 PM

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 03/23/2010 03:39 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: No. When you take the easy way out and run ssh f...@bar -Y, the established X connection runs through an encrypted tunnel, incurring a performance penalty. Oh. I think I understand the question now, it's not the resource overhead per-se that's

Re: [OT] iPad

2010-03-23 Thread Brian Chabot
Alan Johnson wrote: This appears to be made from a review template for all Apple products. You just filled in the blanks with iPad and Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t, a convertible touchscreen netbook/tablet, didn't you? I think it's in Apple's design specs. Take nifty tech only geeks know about.

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Bill McGonigle writes: 2a) possibly run ssh with the null cipher, so you just get session setup. Then you're only talking about stream encapsulation/multiplexing time as a resource drag, and that can be incredibly efficient code (OS's do this all day long, layer upon layer). This is not

Re: FLOSS-/hacker-friendly music-players?

2010-03-23 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: ... people working in government or industry where there is a concern about espionage, accountability, privacy, or fodder for blackmail or public criticism (so:

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 03/23/2010 06:13 PM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: This is not possible with any SSH implementation that I am familiar with. Ah, found it: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ For some reason I thought it was available as a compile-time option to OpenSSH, but that must've been old

Re: Starting an X11 client on another machine, without ssh

2010-03-23 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com writes: On 03/23/2010 06:13 PM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: This is not possible with any SSH implementation that I am familiar with. Ah, found it: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ Oh, that. Yes, now I remember that. I experimented