On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cannot tell you how many issues have come up because nVidia uses different
OpenGL headers, to
the point that it sometimes even breaks between legacy and main. It's a
support nightmare.
[...]
their custom OpenGL
On 6/14/08, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um, no. 2 drivers. Some of my test systems here have to use the main,
others legacy.
You could at least read what I write. As I wrote, they have one
driver, but offer
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:26 AM
To: Labitt, Bruce
Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Subject: Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
So Arc, what video card (ATI or other) would you recommend for
3D 64 bit linux? I'm
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Stephen Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I looked up the drivers for this last night, because Arc seems so
positive that these cards are fully supported
Not fully supported. Many of the newer drivers lack features. Some of
those limitations come from Mesa and
[Author's warning: Possible controversy ahead.]
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of those limitations come from Mesa ...
One potential advantage to NVidia's proprietary solution is that it
comes with its own OpenGL implementation, which (from what
One potential advantage to NVidia's proprietary solution is that it
comes with its own OpenGL implementation, which (from what I've read)
may work better than Mesa for some applications. YMMV, obviously.
Compatibility issues come up.
Many of us don't like Mesa very much, and there have
On Thursday 12 June 2008 00:13, Arc Riley wrote:
Are you speaking from actual experience or are you confusing fglrx with
DRI?
I have not found a card listed as supported on DRI's website that didn't
work. In what situation did you find the free drivers not working on cards
listed as
Radeon 7000 is r100, that's 7-8 years old and I'm not at all surprised that
video overlays are a problem on it. You can get a Radeon 9250 (rv280) for
around $25-$30 which is a *much* nicer card, or a 9800 (r350) for around
$40. That's about as top as you can get with AGP, as the budget-class X
On Thursday 12 June 2008 08:22, Arc Riley wrote:
Radeon 7000 is r100, that's 7-8 years old and I'm not at all surprised that
video overlays are a problem on it.
I think someone else already made a comment about the commonality of replacing
a video card. I don't pay that much attention these
I tried that. I tried it with a SiS too. They were both awful. Perhaps
that's because they were both integrated video, but there was no way to get
overlays with any decent speed and no obvious flickering or keeping sound
in
sync, etc. It's been a few years I guess, yet again, so perhaps
.
--Bruce
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:20 AM
To: Neil Joseph Schelly
Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Subject: Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
I tried
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jun 10, 2008, at 16:19, Tom Buskey wrote:
But, it makes one big screen. I want them independent so I can juggle
workspaces independently.
I think Redhat's system-config-display will let you set that as one of
So Arc, what video card (ATI or other) would you recommend for 3D 64 bit
linux? I'm attempting to use vtk, are there better tools available for
plotting/rendering/visualization? I'm trying to visualize a 1K x 1K 3D
plot.
I'm guessing around 1M quads with realtime rendering, so you'd need
To: Labitt, Bruce
Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Subject: Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
So Arc, what video card (ATI or other) would you recommend for
3D 64 bit linux? I'm attempting to use vtk, are there better tools
available for plotting/rendering
On 6/10/08, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I guess they've gotten around to making some, but for a long
time, NVidia provided no 64-bit version of their drivers.
Umm, they've provided the binary drivers for nearly as long as any
of the x86-64 chips have been available at least.
On Jun 10, 2008, at 16:19, Tom Buskey wrote:
But, it makes one big screen. I want them independent so I can juggle
workspaces independently.
I think Redhat's system-config-display will let you set that as one
of the options (Desktop Layout?)
-Bill
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Bill McGonigle, Owner
I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it
acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by proprietary drivers
nVidia 3d acceleration is only supported with proprietary drivers
Radeons have a comparable price/quality comparison and are supported by free
drivers
On Jun 11, 2008, at 20:07, Arc Riley wrote:
I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it
acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by propriet
Momentum, I suspect. A year and a half ago it was nVidia's
proprietary drivers or ATI's proprietary drivers, and
I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list
find it acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by
proprietary drivers
Hey, cut us some slack, Jack. It would be more accurate for you to
say, majority of postings I've read since (A) most of the traffic
on this list
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it
acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by proprietary drivers
NVidia's track record for Linux support is better. Hmmm, no.
NVidia's track
NVidia's track record for Linux support is better. Hmmm, no.
NVidia's track record for Linux support sucks less.
You know I've had far, far fewer problems with Radeons than nVidia over the
past 7 years.
I've had nVidia drivers that break USB2 support, that breaks SATA support,
that just
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 20:07 -0400, Arc Riley wrote:
I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it
acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by proprietary
drivers
You actually did a remarkably good job of explaining it yourself:
nVidia 3d acceleration is only
Radeons have a comparable price/quality comparison and are supported
by free drivers builtin to the Linux kernel, Mesa, Xorg, DRI, etc
using specs released from ATI/AMD
These don't.
Are you speaking from actual experience or are you confusing fglrx with DRI?
I have not found a card
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Labitt, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm upgrading the graphics card on my 64 bit desktop system (Scientific
Linux 5.1 x86_64). I'd like to use VTK to visualize some of my results.
I only have the built in Intel stuff on my mobo (Optiplex 745, 8GB RAM).
Can
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd recomment another brand, preferably one with an opensource driver so you
don't have my issues.
Are there any decent graphics cards with decent Open Source drivers?
I was under the impression there were none.
NVidia
On Jun 10, 2008, at 14:58, Labitt, Bruce wrote:
Comments?
The nVidia drivers seem to work well when they're not causing any
problems. I've had best luck with various open source drivers, when
they support the hardware. ATI is making progress towards open
sourcing their drivers - if I
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd recomment another brand, preferably one with an opensource driver so
you
don't have my issues.
Are there any decent graphics cards with decent
On 06/10/2008 03:19 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
NVidia makes nice cards, but the Open Source driver is buggy,
feature-poor, and slow. NVidia has a proprietary, binary-only driver
which is fast and has more features, but it breaks every time there's
a kernel change, and you're SOL if you don't define
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Subject: Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Labitt, Bruce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Ben, am I SOL for 64 bit decent speed rendering? Or is there a
solution? I would be using Open GL 2.0.
Based on usage of ATI, Intel, and nVidia, your best bet would be
nvidia, using the binary driver. Yes, depending
: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:55 PM
To: Labitt, Bruce
Cc: Greater NH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Labitt, Bruce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Ben, am I SOL for 64 bit decent speed rendering? Or is there a
solution? I would
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 15:34 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'd recomment another brand, preferably one with an
opensource
Just a quick note - I work with OpenGL programming on GNU/Linux daily, and
11 test systems with various cards.
nVidia
The free software nvidia drivers are years off from having 3d acceleration
since the team working on it is having to reverse engineer everything. If
you don't care about that,
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 15:37 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote:
On 06/10/2008 03:19 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
NVidia makes nice cards, but the Open Source driver is buggy,
feature-poor, and slow. NVidia has a proprietary, binary-only driver
which is fast and has more features, but it breaks every
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you do have to run an xrandr command or run the Screen Resolution applet
to get it to come up the first time after booting if you booted w/o a
monitor attached, but after that, it always comes up automagically. Of
course,
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Labitt, Bruce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you remake a new nvidia module what does that mean?
Does that taint the kernel? I've wondered what that means. I
installed nvidia binaries onto a suse 9.3 system and remember that
expression.
Basically, the
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 16:19 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
you do have to run an xrandr command or run the Screen
Resolution applet
to get it to come up the first time after booting if you
Labitt, Bruce wrote:
When you remake a new nvidia module what does that mean?
Does that taint the kernel? I've wondered what that means. I
installed nvidia binaries onto a suse 9.3 system and remember that
expression.
Essentially, tainted means you won't be able to send bug reports to
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:21:34 -0400,
Thomas Charron wrote:
Basically, the nvidia kernel module for the binary driver is an
'adapter' to the binary library. As a kernel is updated, the nvidia
wrapper needs to be recompiled to provide a module for that new kernel
version. If you're using a
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If your distro provides the dkms system, like Mandriva does, then the
kernel module for nvidia - or lirc, or hsfmodem, or several others -
will be auto-compiled on the first boot to any new kernel if a binary
module is not
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you're SOL if you don't define Linux as
certain 2.6.x kernels on i386 32-bit.
Really? My x86_64 Fedora 8 desktop (with twinview) would like a word
with you.
So I guess they've gotten around to making some, but for a
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, there *is* an open-source driver being worked on for all recent
ATI hardware.
I got burned by ATI once, several years ago. They were doing
exactly what they are doing today -- saying they're starting to open
up and
If you throw your computer out and buy a new one every two years,
maybe this doesn't matter so much, but for people like me who like to
hold on to stuff until the PCBs delaminate, it's a big deal.
-- Ben
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So what do you use?
I am currently using an NVidia card with the binary driver. This is
not an endorsement. I'm using an NVidia card because that's what came
with the PC I currently have (I got an incredible deal on the
Yah, if only projects like the Open Graphics board were
farther along:
http://lists.duskglow.com/open-graphics/2008-April/011376.html
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