On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 11:26:04AM -0500, Michael ODonnell wrote:
> Followup article on ESR's rant, including input from
> the CUPS folks and other feedback...
>
> http://www.newsforge.com/software/04/03/01/1453218.shtml
Best and most important part of this one:
Remember the Macintosh dictum
Followup article on ESR's rant, including input from
the CUPS folks and other feedback...
http://www.newsforge.com/software/04/03/01/1453218.shtml
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I agree with John Abreau completely on this one. I remember reading a
joke online about what if people drove their cars the way they operate
computers.
I am not going to place the blame solely on Microsoft for this, but it
is my feeling, from working with "non-tech savvy" people all the time,
Derek Martin wrote:
>
>On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 03:33:17AM -0500, Dana S. Tellier wrote:
>> And I have to be honest with you, I don't know where
*you* see blue
>> screens anymore, but in all of the environments I've done
support lately, I
>> haven't seen any blue screens; there are still plenty
Derek Martin wrote:
>
>I will say this though: In today's world, the computer is
>an essential tool which is used by virtually all job functions
>for a variety of tasks. It has become a basic essential
>skill. If we are not teaching computer skills to our children
>along with reading, writin
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 03:33:17AM -0500, Dana S. Tellier wrote:
> And I have to be honest with you, I don't know where *you* see blue
> screens anymore, but in all of the environments I've done support lately, I
> haven't seen any blue screens; there are still plenty of other problems, but
> t
From: "John Abreau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The Redhat printer config tool that ESR was bitching about is truly a
piece of crap. But the technolazy behaviors that Microsoft promotes are
as reckless as telling drivers that the car will obey the traffic rules
automatically. Teaching drivers that attitu
From: "Derek Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I will say this though: In today's world, the computer is an
essential tool which is used by virtually all job functions for a
variety of tasks. It has become a basic essential skill. If we are
not teaching computer skills to our children along with rea
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 16:54, Dana S. Tellier wrote:
> I think ESR hits the nail on the head in this
> idea of the "luxury of ignorance". I find it wonderful that I don't need to
> know a damned thing about the inner workings of my car in order to drive it.
> And when something goes wrong, I take
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 04:54:48PM -0500, Dana S. Tellier wrote:
> But as for general users, I completely disagree that computer folk
> should have a sort of high-minded "well, I took the time to learn, so should
> you" attitude. For one thing, that's just plain arrogant. Secondly, these
> pe
Mark Komarinski wrote:
>
>> > Probe the network for what other kinds of systems are out
there? What
>> > is he smoking?
>>
>> I assume from this comment that you don't like the idea of
probing the
>> LAN for equipment inventory info. This seems to have
become a standard
>> administrative techni
From: "Derek Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Besides which, ESR's point was (if I may be allowed to interpret)
>that if you design the interface properly, techies and non-techies
>alike are a lot less likely to a) get it wrong and b) have to spend 18
>hours sifting through documentation to figure it
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 09:15:32AM -0500, brian wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:34, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> > ESR's point is that the folsk designing the GUI's need ot think at the
> > problem from a perspective much closer the user's point of view.
>
> Yes, programmers should all cater to the fact t
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 01:12:15PM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:32:04AM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 09:47:23AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> > > He is correct about the difficulty his "Aunt Tilly" would have
> > > trying to use the existing printer
Jeff Kinz writes:
> I have seen this type of thing be done in an intelligent and efficient
> fashion. I prefer the multi-cast model myself - 1 broadcast, goes out
> across the corporate network, and is received by everyone that needs to
> know about it. (Now we're down to n*k xmits. :) )
VLANs
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:32:04AM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 09:47:23AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> > He is correct about the difficulty his "Aunt Tilly" would have
> > trying to use the existing printer over the small network were correct
> > (Using that interface).
>
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 09:47:23AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:58:45AM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:34:58PM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> > > In an Ironic side twist, coincidental to one of the recently active threads
> > > in gnhlug-discuss, ESR
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:53:34AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > However his "idea" that the whole thing
> > should just discover your network and list for you only the available
> > options is tad bit off as well.
>
> Why is making networks easier to use a bad idea?
Because it's impractica
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 10:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > However his "idea" that the whole thing
> > should just discover your network and list for you only the available
> > options is tad bit off as well.
>
> Why is making networks easier to use a bad idea?
It is not, when done right. But it'
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:58:45AM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:34:58PM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> > In an Ironic side twist, coincidental to one of the recently active threads
> > in gnhlug-discuss, ESR is examining the issues he encountered whilst
> > attempting to co
> However his "idea" that the whole thing
> should just discover your network and list for you only the available
> options is tad bit off as well.
Why is making networks easier to use a bad idea?
> How would it know that you had
> permissions to actually print to each printer?
It should be able
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:34, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> ESR's point is that the folsk designing the GUI's need ot think at the
> problem from a perspective much closer the user's point of view.
Yes, programmers should all cater to the fact that for some reason
people think that they can be blissfully igno
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:04:30AM -0500, Michael ODonnell wrote:
>
>
> > In an Ironic side twist, coincidental to one of the recently
> > active threads in gnhlug-discuss, ESR is examining the issues he
> > encountered whilst attempting to configure a printer using the
> > CUPS GUI config tool.
> In an Ironic side twist, coincidental to one of the recently
> active threads in gnhlug-discuss, ESR is examining the issues he
> encountered whilst attempting to configure a printer using the
> CUPS GUI config tool.
Wow, thanks for that one - now I don't feel so bad.
Having gone through a sim
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 09:34:58PM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote:
> In an Ironic side twist, coincidental to one of the recently active threads
> in gnhlug-discuss, ESR is examining the issues he encountered whilst
> attempting to configure a printer using the CUPS GUI config tool.
AFAIK, CUPS has no GU
In an Ironic side twist, coincidental to one of the recently active threads
in gnhlug-discuss, ESR is examining the issues he encountered whilst
attempting to configure a printer using the CUPS GUI config tool.
ESR's point is that the folsk designing the GUI's need ot think at the
problem from a p
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