Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-10-02 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 10/01/2008 01:52 PM, Ben Scott wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the exception of Connecticut, each POS had only 4K of memory ... Okay, since it has to be asked: What was different about Connecticut? :) Taxes. Connecticut

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-10-01 Thread Thomas Charron
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Brian Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least with the Linux car, you can put the steering wheel wherever you want it. Or redesign it into a drive-by-wire joystick if you prefer. On the other hand, you pull up to most convienient gas stations, and go to

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-10-01 Thread Jerry Feldman
Back in the early 1970s Burger King's Manex Point of Sale used a DEC PDP-8M. I seem to remember that 1 4K memory board (core memory) cost about $5000. With the exception of Connecticut, each POS had only 4K of memory to do full point of sale functions, as well as store hourly sales,

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the exception of Connecticut, each POS had only 4K of memory ... Okay, since it has to be asked: What was different about Connecticut? :) Each register could support 2 servers for a maximum of 8 servers. Heh.

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Šarūnas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Tonight I bought TWO 1 Terabyte external disk drives, that transfer information at a rate of 300 Mbytes per second, for a total cost of $283. I remember that RP06 disk drives which I purchased for Bell Labs in the 1980

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Excellent :-) Can you give a link to where you got these? http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=206821006adid=17070dcaid=17070 They are actually cheaper than the $238., because you get a $20. rebate on one of themassuming you order them today, September 30th. And by wiggling my

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
This from the guy who brought core memory to a LUG show-and-tell. You always end up topping all the I remember when conversations. No fair starting them, too. ;-) Sorry Ben, I really don't mean it to be a contest. I just do it every once in a while to put some reality back into what has

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Michael ODonnell
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Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Šarūnas, What was the transfer speed for the latter? Seek times for both? One thing is to store data, another --- getting it, or finding it at all, in time, that is... Well, at first I was simply going to write you about how I was talking about a 30+ year old disk drive from a computer company

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Michael ODonnell sent around this URL: http://www.buy.com/prod/cavalry-1tb-dual-interface-usb-2-0-esata-external-hard-drive/q/loc/101/205986373.html and while I did not mean my original posting to be a worlds cheapest 2 Terabytes of disk discussion, this deal certainly seems to be more bytes

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael ODonnell sent around this URL: http://www.buy.com/prod/cavalry-1tb-dual-interface-usb-2-0-esata-external-hard-drive/q/loc/101/205986373.html and while I did not mean my original posting to be a worlds

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
You might not really have 1024 GB in your disks :-/ Well, actually I would be happy to have only 1000 GB on my disk to have a Terabyte, but then we get to the whole discussion of what is a GB, and it is too early in the morning for that discussion and I have too much real work to do. Warmest

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Šarūnas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Šarūnas, What was the transfer speed for the latter? Seek times for both? One thing is to store data, another --- getting it, or finding it at all, in time, that is... Well, at first I was simply going to write you

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
It's about 6 Mb/s or just shy of 1MB/s. The entire data contents of RP06 then could have been fetched in about 200s (let's say 3min), compared to 1TB at 300MB/s and thus approx. 3000s or close to 1h. All of that would assume that you were reading sequentially and not waiting for disk head

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:17, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: All of that would assume that you were reading sequentially and not waiting for disk head movement and rotational delay aggravated by direct access techniques. Yeah, but to be fair that drive you just bought is only giving you the

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Did the computer you were hooking it up to even have 16MB of main memory in it? Of course not. I had it hooked up to a VAX 11/780 that was running Unix System 3 from Bell Labs. At first we only had 1 MB of RAM, but I upgraded that to 4 MB (the max you could have with that system). If I had

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit that groff(1)ing goes much faster on modern-day machines than troff(1) did, but everything else seems to take the same amount of time. Demand expands to consume all available resources. -- Ben

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Ric Werme
This from the guy who brought core memory to a LUG show-and-tell. You always end up topping all the I remember when conversations. No fair starting them, too. ;-) Sorry Ben, I really don't mean it to be a contest. I just do it every once in a while to put some reality back into what has

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ric Werme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We used to make comparisons like If the automobile industry had improved at the same rate as computers It's been a long time since that made any sense - a car would travel at Mach 10, seat 1,500, get 500 mpg, and fold up

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread Brian Chabot
Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ric Werme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We used to make comparisons like If the automobile industry had improved at the same rate as computers It's been a long time since that made any sense - a car would travel at Mach 10, seat 1,500, get

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-30 Thread mike ledoux
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 07:14:40PM -0400, Ric Werme wrote: We used to make comparisons like If the automobile industry had improved at the same rate as computers It's been a long time since that made any sense - a car would travel at Mach 10, seat 1,500, get 500 mpg, and fold up and fit

Price/Performance of time

2008-09-29 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Tonight I bought TWO 1 Terabyte external disk drives, that transfer information at a rate of 300 Mbytes per second, for a total cost of $283. I remember that RP06 disk drives which I purchased for Bell Labs in the 1980 to 1983 time frame held about 256 Mbytes and cost $23K apiece (and that was

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-29 Thread Arc Riley
Excellent :-) Can you give a link to where you got these? On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight I bought TWO 1 Terabyte external disk drives, that transfer information at a rate of 300 Mbytes per second, for a total cost of $283.

Re: Price/Performance of time

2008-09-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember that RP06 disk drives which I purchased for Bell Labs in the 1980 to 1983 time frame This from the guy who brought core memory to a LUG show-and-tell. You always end up topping all the I remember when