Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-08 Thread Star
I've got a set of the Western Digital 'Green' drives coming in tomorrow (whoops...today now): 8.5 Watts - only 5400 RPM though (so I'm expecting to cache aggressively). I'm trying to build a quiet, powerful 1U server so every Watt counts in keeping the fans slow (quiet). We'll see,

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-08 Thread Bill McGonigle
Thanks for the feedback on the Green drives. Good to hear! On Apr 8, 2008, at 09:01, Star wrote: Since we're using them primarily as NFS mounts over Gigabit Ethernet, the bottleneck hasn't been the I/O. They're currently configged in RAID-10 (software) with ext3 FS's. Yeah, and that's a

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-08 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Apr 8, 2008, at 00:10, Bill McGonigle wrote: 8.5 Watts - only 5400 RPM though (so I'm expecting to cache aggressively). Ah, nutz, I see Seagate just released something darn close in 7200RPM: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5552484 -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-08 Thread Frank DiPrete
Bill McGonigle wrote: On Apr 7, 2008, at 23:10, Bob King wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the hard drives will be pushing things. Figure 15 watts per disk. Startup watts for the laptop drive I used in my new router was 4.5

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Star
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Peter Dobratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I want to setup a linux server at home to do backups from various computers around the house. Amanda looks promising ( http://amanda.zmanda.com/ ) If you might be contemplating letting the workstations manage their

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. You have to be careful in the selection of the 2.5 inch drives that you put in the enclosures to have very low power requirements, but you can find 160 GB drives that do

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Mark Komarinski
Peter Dobratz wrote: So I want to setup a linux server at home to do backups from various computers around the house. Amanda looks promising ( http://amanda.zmanda.com/ ) For the backup server, I want to setup a separate box, probably running Debian. As the primary purpose of this computer

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. FYI, from what I've read, some of those devices violate the USB spec, in terms of power

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I'd recommend buying from a vendor with an easy returns policy, just in case. I agree with Ben's warning, and perhaps I was not clear enough in my write-up that this was more or less a study and try scenario for those that would build their own, ergo easy returns policies and deep study of

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 09:37 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. You have to be careful in the selection of the 2.5 inch drives that you put in the enclosures to have very

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 11:14 -0400, Alex Hewitt wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 09:37 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: There are a few notebook drive enclosures on the market that work off the power of the USB port with a 2.5 inch disk inside. You have to be careful in the selection of the 2.5

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Transformer-based wall-wart efficiency: Typically 23 - 28 % Switching wall-wart efficiency: Typically 80 - 90% For a device that will be on 24/7, a switching supply pays for itself in less than a year in New England. --DTVZ On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Paul Lussier
Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe this item, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/; that measures power consumption might have been discussed on the list before but the same folks now offer a more sophisticated model:

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread V. Alex Brennen
On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 22:07 -0400, Peter Dobratz wrote: For the backup server, I want to setup a separate box, probably running Debian. As the primary purpose of this computer is just to store the backups, my primary feature consideration is power requirements. Is there anything out there

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Drew Van Zandt
The Kill-a-watt loses all data on power loss; the other does not. Also, the displayed resolution on the kill-a-watt is a bit coarse for things like wall warts, though it apparently has higher internal resolution. I found it necessary to run a wall wart off of one for a full 48 hours to get

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Bruce Dawson
The more sophisticated model has a USB interface. --Bruce PS: For 220, you can measure the two live legs using 2 separate meters. But in general, things like dryers and ranges will have the same readings for both legs. BTW: You're dealing with deadly power here. I don't recommend cobbling this

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 11:53 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe this item, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/; that measures power consumption might have been discussed on the list before but the same folks now offer a more

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, does anyone know of something like this that measures 220VAC as well? (I'd really like to know what my stove and clothes dryer cost me :) If you bought the appliance within the past 20 years or so, it should have

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Mark Komarinski
Ben Scott wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, does anyone know of something like this that measures 220VAC as well? (I'd really like to know what my stove and clothes dryer cost me :) If you bought the appliance within the past

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
clothes dryer cost me All I know is that I have never, ever had quite the sensation of burying my nose in sheets and towels dried in a clothes drier as I had with clothes right off the clothes line. The lack of that fresh, clean, natural scent is what clothes driers cost me. md -- Jon maddog

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread mike ledoux
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:53:00AM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe this item, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/; that measures power consumption might have been discussed on the list before but the same folks now offer a more

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:27 PM, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two of the cheap ones that I'd be happy to loan out ... Yah, if anyone wants to borrow my Kill-A-Watt, same deal. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: power meters [ was low power linux PC? ]

2008-04-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dryer (at least mine) has different heat settings, which isn't reflected in the yellow sticker. While I'm not an appliance service tech, from what I've seen of that sort of thing, multiple heat settings usually

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Bob King
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the hard drives will be pushing things. Figure 15 watts per disk. Startup watts for the laptop drive I used in my new router was 4.5 watts. You pay more for a laptop drive, but the power usage is certainly

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Apr 7, 2008, at 23:10, Bob King wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect the hard drives will be pushing things. Figure 15 watts per disk. Startup watts for the laptop drive I used in my new router was 4.5 watts. I've got a set of the

low power linux PC?

2008-04-06 Thread Peter Dobratz
So I want to setup a linux server at home to do backups from various computers around the house. Amanda looks promising ( http://amanda.zmanda.com/ ) For the backup server, I want to setup a separate box, probably running Debian. As the primary purpose of this computer is just to store the

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-06 Thread Dan Miller
I just order a fit-pc that draws 5 watts. http://www.fit-pc.com/new/ It doesn't have the space that you are looking for, but with a new drive and some working you could get it to whatever size you want. Due to the low profile, it only takes laptop hard drives. I'll have pictures once I get

Re: low power linux PC?

2008-04-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Peter Dobratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything out there that can run Linux, have a few 250 GB or greater hard drives, and run on around 50 Watts or less? I suspect the hard drives will be pushing things. Figure 15 watts per disk. Three disks --