Re: Netiquette (was: Need to copy a 200GB directory)

2017-06-28 Thread R. Anthony Lomartire
Thank you for the input guys :)
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Re: Netiquette (was: Need to copy a 200GB directory)

2017-06-28 Thread Ric Werme

Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:

> On 06/27/2017 10:01 PM, R. Anthony Lomartire wrote:
>> OK, my apologies for hijacking this thread, I haven't been on a mailing list 
>> in forever but I will apply proper
>> etiquette. Can I just ask what you mean by "top post" though?

> Not everyone reads or even receives every message, in real time,
> in the same order in which you saw or responded. So the custom Greg is
> encouraging you to use is to provide a quotation of (the salient parts of)
> whatever you're replying to *above your reply* so that the context
> of your reply is obvious, even to someone who reads your message
> ...

What can I add, other than one of my favorite .signature files from my USENET 
days?

  -Ric
-- 
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>> A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail?

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Netiquette (was: Need to copy a 200GB directory)

2017-06-28 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
On 06/27/2017 10:01 PM, R. Anthony Lomartire wrote:
> OK, my apologies for hijacking this thread, I haven't been on a mailing list 
> in forever but I will apply proper
> etiquette. Can I just ask what you mean by "top post" though?

Not everyone reads or even receives every message, in real time,
in the same order in which you saw or responded. So the custom Greg is
encouraging you to use is to provide a quotation of (the salient parts of)
whatever you're replying to *above your reply* so that the context
of your reply is obvious, even to someone who reads your message
without having seen any other messages in the thread first.

e.g.: some people will find this message as a result of a web-search,
some people just get thousands of e-mails a day and need to prioritize them
using some other system than `by the order in which they were sent';
many people will simply re-read messages at some point in the distant future,
when the memory of `the last thing that was posted before this' has
faded even _if_ it was once clear.

Also: you know how some people think Shakespeare is hard to read?
Try reading all of the dialog *back to front* ;)

"top posting" is "yoda dialog"

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>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:25 PM Greg Rundlett (freephile)  > wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony! Welcome!
>
> You can just reply to the list in general, but it doesn't hurt to 
> reply-all
>
> You should always start a new topic with a new thread ;-). And never top 
> post (unless you're me and using a phone)
>
> ~ Greg
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 8:00 PM, "R. Anthony Lomartire"  > wrote:
>
> Also sorry idk if there is an intro thread or anything, but I've been 
> a lurker for a while this has been my
> first actual post I think. I don't know if I should reply all or just 
> send my reply to the GNHLUG email address?
>
> Anyways just quickly, I'm Tony and I'm in ad tech. We use machine 
> learning to help advertisers optimize their
> ROI. At first I thought it would be lame, but at least it was a job, 
> but gradually I have become more and more
> interested in ad tech and it is actually kinda cool. Ok so hiii!
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:55 PM R. Anthony Lomartire 
>  > wrote:
>
> No offense or anything but I find it amusing that one of the most 
> active threads on this mailer has been
> about copying a bit of data :D

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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread R. Anthony Lomartire
OK, my apologies for hijacking this thread, I haven't been on a mailing
list in forever but I will apply proper etiquette. Can I just ask what you
mean by "top post" though?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:25 PM Greg Rundlett (freephile) <
g...@freephile.com> wrote:

> Hi Anthony! Welcome!
>
> You can just reply to the list in general, but it doesn't hurt to reply-all
>
> You should always start a new topic with a new thread ;-). And never top
> post (unless you're me and using a phone)
>
> ~ Greg
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 8:00 PM, "R. Anthony Lomartire" 
> wrote:
>
>> Also sorry idk if there is an intro thread or anything, but I've been a
>> lurker for a while this has been my first actual post I think. I don't know
>> if I should reply all or just send my reply to the GNHLUG email address?
>>
>> Anyways just quickly, I'm Tony and I'm in ad tech. We use machine
>> learning to help advertisers optimize their ROI. At first I thought it
>> would be lame, but at least it was a job, but gradually I have become more
>> and more interested in ad tech and it is actually kinda cool. Ok so hiii!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:55 PM R. Anthony Lomartire <
>> opensourcek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No offense or anything but I find it amusing that one of the most active
>>> threads on this mailer has been about copying a bit of data :D
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM Matt Minuti 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My muscle memory always puts the flags "-avz" (sometimes I even
 remember to add a P in there), so there must have been one point in time
 where you had to specify compression. Might still be the case.

 On Tue, Jun 27, 2017, 12:02 PM mark  wrote:

> My mistake. I wrote encryption when I meant compression, as I belive
> rsync always compresses--but I could be mistaken about that, too!
>
> Mark
> On Jun 27, 2017 11:55 AM, "Tom Buskey"  wrote:
>
>> rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.
>>
>> To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use
>> rsh which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to
>> specify the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster 
>> operation
>> where security was not needed.
>>
>> Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x,
>> you're doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
>> encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
>> uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very 
>> typical
>> on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
>>
>>> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but
>>> the restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the 
>>> wait.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
>>> cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>>>
 We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
 another, both locally mounted.

 I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?

 Any suggestions appreciated.

 Thanks.

 --charlie

 Charlie Farinella
 Systems Administrator
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
Hi Anthony! Welcome!

You can just reply to the list in general, but it doesn't hurt to reply-all

You should always start a new topic with a new thread ;-). And never top
post (unless you're me and using a phone)

~ Greg

On Jun 27, 2017 8:00 PM, "R. Anthony Lomartire" 
wrote:

> Also sorry idk if there is an intro thread or anything, but I've been a
> lurker for a while this has been my first actual post I think. I don't know
> if I should reply all or just send my reply to the GNHLUG email address?
>
> Anyways just quickly, I'm Tony and I'm in ad tech. We use machine learning
> to help advertisers optimize their ROI. At first I thought it would be
> lame, but at least it was a job, but gradually I have become more and more
> interested in ad tech and it is actually kinda cool. Ok so hiii!
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:55 PM R. Anthony Lomartire <
> opensourcek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No offense or anything but I find it amusing that one of the most active
>> threads on this mailer has been about copying a bit of data :D
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM Matt Minuti 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My muscle memory always puts the flags "-avz" (sometimes I even remember
>>> to add a P in there), so there must have been one point in time where you
>>> had to specify compression. Might still be the case.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017, 12:02 PM mark  wrote:
>>>
 My mistake. I wrote encryption when I meant compression, as I belive
 rsync always compresses--but I could be mistaken about that, too!

 Mark
 On Jun 27, 2017 11:55 AM, "Tom Buskey"  wrote:

> rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.
>
> To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use
> rsh which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to
> specify the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster 
> operation
> where security was not needed.
>
> Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x,
> you're doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
> encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
> uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very 
> typical
> on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
>
>> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but
>> the restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the 
>> wait.
>>
>> Mark
>> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" > appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
>>> another, both locally mounted.
>>>
>>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --charlie
>>>
>>> Charlie Farinella
>>> Systems Administrator
>>> Appropriate Solutions, Inc.
>>> 1-603-924-6079 <(603)%20924-6079>
>>>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread R. Anthony Lomartire
Also sorry idk if there is an intro thread or anything, but I've been a
lurker for a while this has been my first actual post I think. I don't know
if I should reply all or just send my reply to the GNHLUG email address?

Anyways just quickly, I'm Tony and I'm in ad tech. We use machine learning
to help advertisers optimize their ROI. At first I thought it would be
lame, but at least it was a job, but gradually I have become more and more
interested in ad tech and it is actually kinda cool. Ok so hiii!

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:55 PM R. Anthony Lomartire <
opensourcek...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No offense or anything but I find it amusing that one of the most active
> threads on this mailer has been about copying a bit of data :D
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM Matt Minuti  wrote:
>
>> My muscle memory always puts the flags "-avz" (sometimes I even remember
>> to add a P in there), so there must have been one point in time where you
>> had to specify compression. Might still be the case.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017, 12:02 PM mark  wrote:
>>
>>> My mistake. I wrote encryption when I meant compression, as I belive
>>> rsync always compresses--but I could be mistaken about that, too!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> On Jun 27, 2017 11:55 AM, "Tom Buskey"  wrote:
>>>
 rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.

 To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use rsh
 which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to specify
 the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster operation where
 security was not needed.

 Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x, you're
 doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
 encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
 uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very typical
 on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.

 On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:

> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but
> the restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the 
> wait.
>
> Mark
> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
> cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
>> another, both locally mounted.
>>
>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>
>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --charlie
>>
>> Charlie Farinella
>> Systems Administrator
>> Appropriate Solutions, Inc.
>> 1-603-924-6079 <(603)%20924-6079>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread R. Anthony Lomartire
No offense or anything but I find it amusing that one of the most active
threads on this mailer has been about copying a bit of data :D

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:29 PM Matt Minuti  wrote:

> My muscle memory always puts the flags "-avz" (sometimes I even remember
> to add a P in there), so there must have been one point in time where you
> had to specify compression. Might still be the case.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017, 12:02 PM mark  wrote:
>
>> My mistake. I wrote encryption when I meant compression, as I belive
>> rsync always compresses--but I could be mistaken about that, too!
>>
>> Mark
>> On Jun 27, 2017 11:55 AM, "Tom Buskey"  wrote:
>>
>>> rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.
>>>
>>> To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use rsh
>>> which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to specify
>>> the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster operation where
>>> security was not needed.
>>>
>>> Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x, you're
>>> doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
>>> encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
>>> uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very typical
>>> on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
>>>
 Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but
 the restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.

 Mark
 On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
 cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:

> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
> another, both locally mounted.
>
> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --charlie
>
> Charlie Farinella
> Systems Administrator
> Appropriate Solutions, Inc.
> 1-603-924-6079 <(603)%20924-6079>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread Matt Minuti
My muscle memory always puts the flags "-avz" (sometimes I even remember to
add a P in there), so there must have been one point in time where you had
to specify compression. Might still be the case.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017, 12:02 PM mark  wrote:

> My mistake. I wrote encryption when I meant compression, as I belive rsync
> always compresses--but I could be mistaken about that, too!
>
> Mark
> On Jun 27, 2017 11:55 AM, "Tom Buskey"  wrote:
>
>> rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.
>>
>> To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use rsh
>> which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to specify
>> the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster operation where
>> security was not needed.
>>
>> Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x, you're
>> doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
>> encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
>> uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very typical
>> on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
>>
>>> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but the
>>> restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
>>> cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>>>
 We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
 another, both locally mounted.

 I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?

 Any suggestions appreciated.

 Thanks.

 --charlie

 Charlie Farinella
 Systems Administrator
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 1-603-924-6079 <(603)%20924-6079>

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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread Tom Buskey
I typically use rsync instead of cp when I can.  There can be issues (and
there's too much below I know):

lots of small files can slow things down because of the comparision
(checksum, dates, names).  zfs send/receive uses a different method for
remote replication that avoids this.

If you're on cygwin, there are restrictions (I can't recall specifics)
compared to Unixen.

Different file systems may act different.

ACLs are not copied.  Other permissions might not work too (NTFS to FAT and
it'll recopy instead of skip)

MacOSX HFS files have 2 forks, resource (with icons, etc) and data.  On
older versions (panther?), cp would copy both forks.  Rsync would only deal
with the data fork.  NTFS has forks IIRC but I think cygwin can deal.  It's
no fun having the user complain all the icons on the MacOS9 desktop are
wrong because the move/restore used rsync.


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:

> rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.
>
> To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use rsh
> which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to specify
> the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster operation where
> security was not needed.
>
> Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x, you're
> doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
> encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
> uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very typical
> on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
>
>> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but the
>> restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.
>>
>> Mark
>> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
>> cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
>>> another, both locally mounted.
>>>
>>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --charlie
>>>
>>> Charlie Farinella
>>> Systems Administrator
>>> Appropriate Solutions, Inc.
>>> 1-603-924-6079 <(603)%20924-6079>
>>>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread mark
My mistake. I wrote encryption when I meant compression, as I belive rsync
always compresses--but I could be mistaken about that, too!

Mark
On Jun 27, 2017 11:55 AM, "Tom Buskey"  wrote:

> rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.
>
> To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use rsh
> which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to specify
> the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster operation where
> security was not needed.
>
> Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x, you're
> doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
> encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
> uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very typical
> on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
>
>> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but the
>> restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.
>>
>> Mark
>> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
>> cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
>>> another, both locally mounted.
>>>
>>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --charlie
>>>
>>> Charlie Farinella
>>> Systems Administrator
>>> Appropriate Solutions, Inc.
>>> 1-603-924-6079 <(603)%20924-6079>
>>>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-27 Thread Tom Buskey
rsync doesn't encrypt if there's no remote, as in this case.

To be pedantic, rsync to remotes uses ssh by default but it can use rsh
which has no encryption.  Some older versions of SSH allowed you to specify
the encryption.  I recall using XOR encryption for faster operation where
security was not needed.

Encryption typically does some compression.  If you compress 2x, you're
doubling the bits through the pipe in the same time.  If the
encryption/compression computation at either end is faster than than the
uncompressed bandwidth, you'll have faster throughput.  That's very typical
on newer multicore, high GHz CPUs.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:

> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but the
> restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.
>
> Mark
> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella"  appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
>> another, both locally mounted.
>>
>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>
>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --charlie
>>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Charles Farinella
rsync it is, thanks to all.

--charlie

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:11 PM, mark  wrote:
> Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but the
> restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella"
>  wrote:
>>
>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to another,
>> both locally mounted.
>>
>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>
>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --charlie
>>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread mark
Locally, cp is faster because you cannot make rsync not encrypt, but the
restart-from-where-it-stopped feature of rsync makes it worth the wait.

Mark
On Jun 26, 2017 3:18 PM, "Charles Farinella" <
cfarine...@appropriatesolutions.com> wrote:

> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to another,
> both locally mounted.
>
> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --charlie
>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
rsync -van --stats --exclude images/ --exclude other_big_dir/ /var/source/
/var/destination/

-v verbose
-a archive mode (preserves perms., recursive, etc.)
-n dry-run
Make sure to use trailing slashes if transferring directories
Use excludes to get it working before you move the biggest directories; or
just do a small non-recursive rsync first.

Greg Rundlett
https://eQuality-Tech.com
https://freephile.org

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 3:29 PM, David Rose  wrote:

> rsync -a source destination is all it should take.
>
> On Jun 26, 2017 3:25 PM, "Dan Garthwaite"  wrote:
>
>> Ditto Ken on two points:  200GB isn't that large (I've worked in an
>> animation studio) and rsync is restartable.  I'd go with rsync.
>>
>> It has a dizzying array of options and even more finer points.  You don't
>> need the rsync daemon.  Try to use full paths.  Include trailing slashes if
>> copying directories.  Experiment and then write a bash script.
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Charles Farinella
Yeah, dd is wrong, I'll play with cp and rsync and pick one.

Thanks.

--charlie

Charlie Farinella
Systems Administrator
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On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:

> 200 GB on locally mounted filesystems just isn't all *THAT* much.  I'm not
> quite sure how you'd use 'dd', but cp or rsync should do the trick just
> fine.  Note that rsync has the added benefit of being able to, essentially,
> start from where you failed -- but I usually reserve that for network file
> transfers that take long enough I'm worried a brownout or something might
> interrupt it.
>
> $.02,
>
> -Ken
>
>
>
> On 2017-06-26 15:11, Charles Farinella wrote:
>
>> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
>> another, both locally mounted.
>>
>> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>>
>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --charlie
>>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread David Rose
rsync -a source destination is all it should take.

On Jun 26, 2017 3:25 PM, "Dan Garthwaite"  wrote:

> Ditto Ken on two points:  200GB isn't that large (I've worked in an
> animation studio) and rsync is restartable.  I'd go with rsync.
>
> It has a dizzying array of options and even more finer points.  You don't
> need the rsync daemon.  Try to use full paths.  Include trailing slashes if
> copying directories.  Experiment and then write a bash script.
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Dan Jenkins
I definitely would use rsync. I regularly copy 2-3 TB from between 
filesystems, both locally and over networks, using it. cp would work, 
but rsync is better if you do need to interrupt and restart or if you 
just need to synchronize changes.

On 6/26/2017 3:11 PM, Charles Farinella wrote:
> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to 
> another, both locally mounted.
>
> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --charlie
>
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Dan Garthwaite
Ditto Ken on two points:  200GB isn't that large (I've worked in an
animation studio) and rsync is restartable.  I'd go with rsync.

It has a dizzying array of options and even more finer points.  You don't
need the rsync daemon.  Try to use full paths.  Include trailing slashes if
copying directories.  Experiment and then write a bash script.
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Re: Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
200 GB on locally mounted filesystems just isn't all *THAT* much.  I'm 
not quite sure how you'd use 'dd', but cp or rsync should do the trick 
just fine.  Note that rsync has the added benefit of being able to, 
essentially, start from where you failed -- but I usually reserve that 
for network file transfers that take long enough I'm worried a brownout 
or something might interrupt it.

$.02,

-Ken


On 2017-06-26 15:11, Charles Farinella wrote:
> We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to
> another, both locally mounted.
> 
> I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?
> 
> Any suggestions appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --charlie
> 
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Need to copy a 200GB directory

2017-06-26 Thread Charles Farinella
We need to copy a large (200+GB) directory from one filesystem to another,
both locally mounted.

I'm unsure as to what I should use to do this, cp, rsync, dd?

Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks.

--charlie

Charlie Farinella
Systems Administrator
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