Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-06 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com writes: Still, all kinds of providers go through leadership changes and ousters all the time - this one is being done open-source style. That seems to have some media people freaked out. The whole `open-ness' idea still seems to be `new and unsettling' to

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-06 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes: Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com writes: Still, all kinds of providers go through leadership changes and ousters all the time - this one is being done open-source style. That seems to have some media people freaked out. The whole

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Joshua Judson Rosenroz...@geekspace.com wrote: People keep comparing the Openmoko project(s) to the iPhone, also--quite unfavourably. Mainly, I think, it's just because the iPhone `appeared fully-formed' ... Well, in all fairness, there have been a lot of FOSS

Open development confuses the masses (was Re: melodrama at CentOS?)

2009-08-06 Thread Alan Johnson
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Ben Scottdragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Joshua Judson Rosenroz...@geekspace.com wrote: People keep comparing the Openmoko project(s) to the iPhone, also--quite unfavourably. Mainly, I think, it's just because the iPhone `appeared

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-05 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes: Debian zealots, note that APT has the same problem. Please explain how so. I've maintained internal Debian mirrors for years which all my internal systems pointed to for package updates. The master, internal mirror server pointed at MIT's Debian

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-05 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Paul Lussierp.luss...@comcast.net wrote: The various files that control package management explicitly mention centos.org as the master all over the place. Debian zealots, note that APT has the same problem. Please explain how so. I've maintained internal

RE: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-03 Thread Flaherty, Patrick
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Bill McGonigleb...@bfccomputing.com wrote: ... control of the domain name ... So, trust and brand value are at risk. That, and the massive organizational clusterfsck that would ensue if they had to switch to a different domain name. Everyone from

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
[Ben gently reminded me I forgot to hit 'reply-all'] On 07/30/2009 06:01 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Is CentOS incorporated? If not, there is no write-off. Hrm? I mean they probably can't expect to ever recover it. It's just that all their benefactors who gave them money will now be very

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Flaherty, Patrickpflahe...@wsi.com wrote: ... control of the domain name ... So, trust and brand value are at risk. ... massive organizational clusterfsck that would ensue ... You should be using a local mirror!!! Update one rsync script and you're done.

RE: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-03 Thread Flaherty, Patrick
... control of the domain name ... So, trust and brand value are at risk. ... massive organizational clusterfsck that would ensue ... You should be using a local mirror!!! Update one rsync script and you're done. The various files that control package management explicitly

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-03 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Flaherty, Patrick wrote: Spacewalk is sorta like wsus, machines check in tell you what their patch level is. You can approve new patch levels and push them out to the machines. It's the upstream for RedHat network, but it is rather centralized. Two minor

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-01 Thread Bill McGonigle
There's an update today: The CentOS Development team had a routine meeting today with Lance Davis in attendance. During the meeting a majority of issues were resolved immediately and a working agreement was reached with deadlines for remaining unresolved issues. There should be no impact to any

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-08-01 Thread Jerry Feldman
I saw that earlier, and it is great news. On 08/01/2009 08:47 AM, Bill McGonigle wrote: There's an update today: The CentOS Development team had a routine meeting today with Lance Davis in attendance. During the meeting a majority of issues were resolved immediately and a working agreement

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
Lance and the CentOS team have provided a very valuable service to the entire Linux community throughout its existence by making an enterprise (specifically RHEL) Linux available to those who need it, but can't afford the pay for the full enterprise package. I would hope that Lance does reconcile

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-30 Thread Michael ODonnell
Anybody know anything beyond what's mentioned in this open letter to CentOS's Lance Davis signed by a number of key CentOS players? http://www.centos.org/ Ah. Some further info here: http://www.h-online.com/open/Growing-unrest-within-the-CentOS-project--/news/113889

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-30 Thread Shawn O'Shea
A number of the developers have posted some information on their personal blogs. The CentOS Planet has a number of them in their aggregation: http://planet.centos.org/ -Shawn On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Michael ODonnell michael.odonn...@comcast.net wrote: Anybody know anything beyond

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-30 Thread Ben Scott
Sounds like they had one person (Lance Davis) who was the sole operator for certain key resources (namely the domain name and the Paypal donation account), and he's gone inactive. This is why GNHLUG has a Board of Directors. Disorganized, slow, and ineffectual we may be, but there's more

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-30 Thread Jerry Feldman
I heard he is visiting Hans Reiser :-) On 07/30/2009 11:36 AM, Michael ODonnell wrote: Anybody know anything beyond what's mentioned in this open letter to CentOS's Lance Davis signed by a number of key CentOS players? http://www.centos.org/ -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-30 Thread Bill McGonigle
Seems like the key issue is control of the domain name, which was taken 'private registration' a few months ago. Without it, the project can't keep their commitment to their users of n years worth of updates. So, trust and brand value are at risk. I suspect their PayPal account can be written

Re: melodrama at CentOS?

2009-07-30 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Bill McGonigleb...@bfccomputing.com wrote: ... control of the domain name ... So, trust and brand value are at risk. That, and the massive organizational clusterfsck that would ensue if they had to switch to a different domain name. Everyone from the top down