Re: OT: Quantum Books closing...

2007-10-10 Thread Jerry Feldman
It is sad that they are going out of business. While I have not been a steady customer, I do remember Quantum when they are located at the One Kendall Sq. center further up where the CBC is. Blaming O'Reilly is just an excuse, but the bottom line is as you all stated is the trend. Printed books, es

MonadLUG - Thursday, 11 Oct.

2007-10-10 Thread Charlie Farinella
What: Introduction to the Internet Domain Name System (DNS) Who: Ben Scott Where:  SAU 1 office, 106 Hancock Rd., Peterborough              http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/MonadLUG Date: Thur 11 Oct 2007 Time: 7:00 PM This Thursday, at MonadLUG in Peterborough, Ben Scott will be presen

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After some announcements, suitable heckling, and the obligatory > protector fussing It strikes me that the obligatory protector fussing is truly an artifact of collecting geeks in a room where they can all fuss over each other's pocket protectors. In no

[GNHLUG] MonadLUG - Thursday, 11 Oct.

2007-10-10 Thread Charles Farinella
What: Introduction to the Internet Domain Name System (DNS) Who: Ben Scott Where:  SAU 1 office, 106 Hancock Rd., Peterborough              http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/MonadLUG Date: Thur 11 Oct 2007 Time: 7:00 PM This Thursday, at MonadLUG in Peterborough, Ben Scott will be present

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> After some announcements, suitable heckling, and the obligatory >> protector fussing > > It strikes me that the obligatory protector fussing ... Next time you make a typo, you're going *down*. Payback's a bitch. ;-) >> In the tradition o

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> It wasn't any earlier than 1995, because I was still an undergrad, >and I didn't begin at UNH until Fall 1995. I think it was 1996, but >couldn't swear to it. I remember that he was really coming to an FSF meeting in Boston, and that I convinced him to travel to UNH to do a talk there. It was

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Tom Buskey
On 10/10/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In the tradition of holiday re-runs, this will be a showing of a > > video recording of Linus's talk at UNH, circa 1996/1997. > > I think this was either 94 or 95. I distinctly remember that this

O/T lab benches for sale $20 each

2007-10-10 Thread Lara Ullman
Hi, I apologize if this is inappropriate, but I've seen equipment mails sent to the list before and I thought this was something some of you might be interested in. My current company is going out of business and has around 25 double-tier lab benches (with power outlets) that we have to get rid o

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
"Jon 'maddog' Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I met Linus in May of 1994, signed the loan of products form for the > Alpha in June of 1994 Loan? Heh heh heh. To whom, and where, did he return said "loaned" products to ? ;) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnh

Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Ted Roche
Ben Scott wrote: > On 10/10/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> After some announcements, suitable heckling, and the obligatory >>> protector fussing >> It strikes me that the obligatory protector fussing ... > > Next time you make a typo, you're going *down*. Payback's a bitch. ;-

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
"Tom Buskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Didn't Linux come to DEC 1st? I was with you at this event, remember? You > had just gotten/were about to get a 486 EISA machine ;-) That sounds about right. I just don't know the timing. It can't have been any later than March of '96, since I distin

Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Karl
I just bought a Toshiba Satellite laptop with Vista. I don't do much MS bashing, but Vista is one sick OS. It may just be the crapware installed, but it is slow and easily confused. Anyway, I would like to try Linux on this laptop before I blow Vista away or make it a dual boot machine. Wha

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Brian Chabot
Karl wrote: > I would like to > try Linux on this laptop before I blow Vista away or make it a dual boot > machine. What live CD (DVD) distribution would you recommend. That's very much a matter of taste. Most current users are siding with Gnome vs KDE or Apt vs rpm. > I am > leaning towa

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Our web-based source of misunderstandings, the TWiki, claims it was > 31-Jan-1996, doubtful, rather late (or early) for baseball. I think *this* was for the FSF conference. I remember Tom and I went to this just before the two of left Raytheon, and Linus w

Different inetds under Debian

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
Is anyone here familiar with the differences between the different inetd packages under Debian? I've inherited a system which currently has openbsd-inetd installed. This is but one of many, many differences between this machine and everything else in our network. Everything else uses netkit-inet

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The BLU records a visit to Boston by Linux in May of 1995: > > This sounds about right for the UNH visit. Unless my wetware memory is severely corrupted, I graduated Sanborn Regional High School Class of 1995. I entered UNH Fall 1995, and

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
[WARNING: low-content post ahead] On 10/10/07, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Most current users are siding with Gnome vs KDE or Apt vs rpm. > > Pardon the rant, but... Its NOT apt vs. rpm. Hey, did you know there's no such word as "irony" in the dictionary? Really! Look it up! ;

Re: Different inetds under Debian

2007-10-10 Thread Tom Buskey
I usually have inetd disabled. ssh, nfs, samba, ntp and httpd don't need it. rdate function might be the only thing I'd want. On 10/10/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is anyone here familiar with the differences between the different > inetd packages under Debian? I've inherit

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 02:50:48 pm Brian Chabot wrote: > Karl wrote: > > I would like to > > try Linux on this laptop before I blow Vista away or make it a dual boot > > machine. What live CD (DVD) distribution would you recommend. > > That's very much a matter of taste. > > Most current use

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 02:13:45PM -0400, Ted Roche wrote: > > Our web-based source of misunderstandings, the TWiki, claims it was > 31-Jan-1996 nneuug agrees. Captured in the beginning of a brief archive window: http://www.mv.com/org/nneuug/mail-archives/nneuug-announce/0001.html mm (who

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vista is one sick OS. It may just be the crapware > installed, but it is slow and easily confused. Bloatware is a huge problem. If possible, I recommend a clean install from an OS disc without OEM-added bloatware. (Whether that's an option depend

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Tom Buskey
Is nneuug still active? I used to go to meetings. I even passed out some Linux newsletter printouts. On 10/10/07, Mark E. Mallett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 02:13:45PM -0400, Ted Roche wrote: > > > > Our web-based source of misunderstandings, the TWiki, claims it was

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Kevin D. Clark
This: http://www.mv.com/org/nneuug/mail-archives/nneuug-announce/0001.html indicates that Linus visited on Wednesday 31-jan-1996. This corresponds with my recollection of events. In particular, Linus spoke in Parsons Hall, and I was pretty unhappy that I couldn't attend the talk, since I was t

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Komarinski
Ben Scott wrote: > On 10/10/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> The BLU records a visit to Boston by Linux in May of 1995: >>> >> This sounds about right for the UNH visit. >> > > Unless my wetware memory is severely corrupted, I graduated Sanborn > Regional High Scho

Re: Desparately need Postfix/smtpd/sasl on Fedora help

2007-10-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 9, 2007, at 08:57, David A. Long wrote: > So it seems to me that Postfix smtpd is never > successfully contacting saslauthd. What does your /etc/sysconfig/saslauthd look like? Mine is: SOCKETDIR=/var/run/saslauthd MECH=pam FLAGS= for sasl options I have: permit_s

Re: Linus' visit, was: InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:47:51PM -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > .. and then traveled over to a UNH establishment at the > time, "Karls", for a local delicacy called "snotties". [1] > [1] French fries covered in Velveeta. Ahh, yes. Karls. The tie that binds. mm (yeah, completely off-topic

Re: OT: Quantum Books closing...

2007-10-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 9, 2007, at 16:15, Paul Lussier wrote: > She also mentioned that O'Reilly seems rather ambivalent with respect > to brick'n'mortar book stores, whereas publishers like APress, Addison > Wessely, etc. are doing a much better job. There's that, and that Tim O'Reilly is competing with her di

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 10, 2007, at 15:48, Ben Scott wrote: > 2002 just called. They want their new feature back. ;-) Hey, I was doing live CD build systems in 2002 and I wish I had the Fedora tools instead. Except the Fedora tools cost you a gig of dependency hell if you want something crazy like Fire

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 03:48:41 pm Ben Scott wrote: > [WARNING: low-content post ahead] > > On 10/10/07, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Most current users are siding with Gnome vs KDE or Apt vs rpm. > > > > Pardon the rant, but... Its NOT apt vs. rpm. > > Hey, did you know the

Re: Admin horror stories (was: Shell Quoting)

2007-10-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 9, 2007, at 17:31, Ben Scott wrote: > Did you know 'rpm' will let you remove every package from the > system? rm lets you remove libc too. DAMHINT. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 03:42:57 pm Ben Scott wrote: > On 10/10/07, Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vista is one sick OS. It may just be the crapware > > installed, but it is slow and easily confused. > > Bloatware is a huge problem. If possible, I recommend a clean > install from an O

Re: Admin horror stories

2007-10-10 Thread mike ledoux
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 10:33:07PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: > "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 10/9/07, John Abreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> ... I looked in /bin for suspicious files, and that was the > >> first time I ever noticed the file [ . It looked suspicious, so > >

Re: Admin horror stories

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, mike ledoux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you know the ULTRIX distribution tapes will let you install > ULTRIX on a DECStation? "ULTRIX is amazingly customizable. You have to replace a third of it to make it usable." -- Marcus J Ranum -- Ben _

Re: TeleMeetings was, [Fwd: GNHLUG.Organizational - Automated notification of topic changes]

2007-10-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 6, 2007, at 07:49, Ted Roche wrote: > Anyone with actual field experience to share? > > - recording live meetings > - broadcasting live meetings > - post-broadcasting ("podcasting") audio The limit of my LUG podcasting experience was with the Doug McIlroy talk at DLSLUG. Things I learne

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 04:41:27 pm Jarod Wilson wrote: > Bleah. Ubuntu gusty is crapping all over itself on a ~2 year old Dell > Precision 470 workstation right now... Corrupted bootsplash screen for 5 > minutes, then finally dropped to text console and said something about one > of the servi

Re: Admin horror stories

2007-10-10 Thread Drew Van Zandt
an entire production VAX running VMS... 5.3? 5.6? I forget, it was before it was OpenVMS, and then the time came to upgrade. This conversation ensued with Digital tech support: "OK, so what version are you upgrading from?" "5.6" "And what hardware are you running?" "Foo bar v3" "... let me

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> Loan? Heh heh heh. To whom, and where, did he return said "loaned" > products to ? ;) Linus asked me if he would ever have to return the system. I looked him straight in the eye and said that in all the years I had worked with Loan-of-products I had never heard of a system coming back. Some

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Bill Ricker
> That's very much a matter of taste. True > As it is a laptop, I presume you're looking for mostly desktop > functionality, as opposed to server... Knoppix is quite good for autodetect hardware and see what works. But it's not really a full-service desktop. Ubuntu is a good install and ok "li

Re: TeleMeetings was, [Fwd: GNHLUG.Organizational - Automated notification of topic changes]

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 6, 2007, at 07:49, Ted Roche wrote: > * Input is King. Yes. That. > We're used to good video quality ... You obviously haven't watched much at YouTube. ;-) > ... and the mic on a camcorder with an amateur operator and poor >

Re: Different inetds under Debian

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
"Tom Buskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I usually have inetd disabled. > > ssh, nfs, samba, ntp and httpd don't need it. rdate function might be the > only thing I'd want. Or, say, amanda, so your systems get backed up :) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-

[OT] xkcd

2007-10-10 Thread Kent Johnson
If you know what a SQL injection attack is, you will love this: http://xkcd.com/327/ Kent ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/

grub

2007-10-10 Thread mike miller
I was dual booting winxp and fc6 until the motherboard died. I replaced it, using the same cpu, memory, hard drives and other peripherals. I was pleasantly surprised to see the grub menu when I first booted but the linux default boot failed. Trying again I found that XP worked fine, only need

Re: Admin horror stories (was: Shell Quoting)

2007-10-10 Thread Ric Werme
Bill McGonigle once learned: > rm lets you remove libc too. DAMHINT. I managed to salvage one system because I had NFS-exported / and could gain write access from another system. After that I often did the export before replacing humorless files like libc.so and sometimes did the update with NF

Re: grub

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, mike miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was dual booting winxp and fc6 until the motherboard died. I replaced it, > using the same cpu, memory, hard drives and other peripherals. I was > pleasantly surprised to see the grub menu when I first booted but the linux > default boot fai

Re: [OT] xkcd

2007-10-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/10/07, Kent Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you know what a SQL injection attack is, you will love this: > http://xkcd.com/327/ For those of you who hadn't already seen the above: xkcd is an extremely excellent comic, and should be read by all geeks. http://xkcd.com/149/ http://x

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Paul Lussier
"Bill Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Knoppix is quite good for autodetect hardware and see what works. But > it's not really a full-service desktop. If you're looking for 'bare-essentials', sysadmin style toolbox distro, check out Finnix. No desktop crap, though it does run X with a slic

Re: [OT] xkcd

2007-10-10 Thread Bill Ricker
> If you know what a SQL injection attack is, you will love this: > http://xkcd.com/327/ while xkcd++; And if it doesn't make sense, you NEED to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_injection_attack -- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: Best live CD (DVD) distribution

2007-10-10 Thread Karl
Thank you everyone for your generous responses. I have to mull them over. I bought my desktop computer with Xandros preloaded and never replaced it, so I am used to the KDE interface. The laptop needs only desktop functionality, but must have wireless capability. My home network is wireless

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread John Abreau
On Wed, October 10, 2007 12:38 pm, Jon 'maddog' Hall said: > > If the Alpha port was not finished until November of 1995, it "had" to > have been at least early 1996 when this occurred. Probably it was fall > of 1996, which would fit into Ben's attending the meeting as a student > at UNH. > Lin

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread John Abreau
On Thu, October 11, 2007 12:49 am, John Abreau said: > > Linus gave a talk at BLU on May 17, 1995. I distinctly remember going to > his talk at UNH a couple months before that, probably in March. > Looks like I remembered wrong; I just checked the BLU list archives, and found that Linus' talk at

Re: Meeting Notes: SLUG / 8 Oct / InkScape

2007-10-10 Thread John Abreau
On Thu, October 11, 2007 1:01 am, John Abreau said: > Looks like I remembered wrong; I just checked the BLU list archives, and > found that Linus' talk at UNH was on Monday, January 31, 1996: > Oops; Monday was Jan 1; the meeting was Jan 31. Ah, the perils of typing in the wee hours... :-P --