Re: Eben vs. Novell

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/11/07/the-moglen-meeting-happened/ - The Moglen meeting happened November 7th, 2006 I’ve confirmed that. But no word from the professor. Novell is supposed to put out some kind of expanded statement regarding the GPL in the next day or two. Not sure

Re: The GPL is toast in Hamburg (was: German-GPL victorious in Frankfurt district court)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll try. But slowly, okay? Nope, still don't know what the point of your email was. The point was first sale aka Erschöpfung aka exhaustion, stupid. Kapis? Please reply on usenet (I'm posting this to gnu.misc.discuss

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] If you are you must comply with the terms of the library license but your You must not. First sale, stupid. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler wrote: No. If you are not distributing the library you need do nothing special. Thanks, John. This clarifies things and makes a lot of sense. Beware that the FSF (including their fierce legal acumen Eben) disagrees with uncle Hasler, xp_newbie.

What we can do (those who believe in freedom)? (was: Eben...)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1851 -- What we can do, those who believe in freedom, those who use GNU/Linux, or those who everywhere who believe in free markets and reject gangsters and thugs and the destruction such people do to society? First and foremost we must stand together

Perens: Novell is the new SCO (was: Eben...)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.theregister.com/2006/11/07/perens_on_ms_novell/ It's a case of 'Damn the people who write the software', he told us. Was the deal even legitimate, we wondered? Novell is violating the GPL, he tells us. It's up to the Free Software Foundation, which owns the copyright, to pursue this.

Several industry sources: Sun Set To Move On GPL License For Open-Source Java

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml;?articleId=193600331 --- The company is very close to announcing that it will put the mobile (ME) and standard (SE) editions of the Java platform into the GNU General Public License (GPL), with the Java Enterprise Edition and

Groklaw watcher: Novell got $240 million from MS for SUSE subscriptions and $108 million for patent something

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
--- Novell got $240 million from MS for SUSE subscriptions and $108 million for patent something The Novell 8-K is up with some details about their sellout to MS. Microsoft bought $240 million worth of SUSE subscriptions that they can resell or shred or do whatever they want. Novell got

Re: Groklaw watcher: Novell got $240 million from MS for SUSE subscriptions and $108 million for patent something

2006-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Novell got $240 million from MS for SUSE subscriptions and $108 million for patent something The Novell 8-K is up with some details about their sellout to MS. Microsoft bought $240 million worth of SUSE subscriptions that they can

Eben mused: Maybe it will turn out that [Novell and Microsoft] have cleared the barrier by a millimetre

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.theregister.com/2006/11/06/microsoft_novell_analysis/page2.html --- IBM has been nowhere to be found. And the FSF's General Counsel Eben Moglen hasn't helped the cause by permitting this thought bubble to escape, and be recorded by a VNU reporter: Maybe it will turn out that

Re: Groklaw watcher: Novell got $240 million from MS for SUSE subscriptions and $108 million for patent something

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Now Novell is supposed to be an Open Source outlet, and they are _receiving_ net money for somewhat fuzzy patent/indemnification claims Somewhat fuzzy? Oh dear GNutian dak, recall that Groklaw PJ's partner OSRM and Eben's underling Dan (Ravicher of SFLC) made a

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread xp_newbie
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Beware that the FSF (including their fierce legal acumen Eben) disagrees with uncle Hasler, xp_newbie. http://web.novalis.org/talks/compliance-for-developers/slide-49.html http://web.novalis.org/talks/compliance-for-developers/slide-75.html Your only way out (in

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Alexander, I must admit that when I first read the links you provided, I got even more confused. But then, I noticed that all of these links refer to GPL, not LGPL. :) Forget LGPL. http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf -- The LGPL Alternative [...] an

Re: Eben mused: Maybe it will turn out that [Novell and Microsoft] have cleared the barrier by a millimetre

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
The context is this: http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=41715 --- Novell-Microsoft partnership faces GPL hurdle By Tom Sanders, 6 November 2006 09:32 AEST Operating Systems The patent cross licensing deal that Microsoft and Novell unveiled last Thursday will be

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] That is, if: 1. I link to the library *dynamically* and 2. I *do not modify* the library in any way and 3. I fully acknowledge that I am using that library 4. I include the library (in a DLL form) in the installation package (as a

Re: Novell-MS Pact: stripped down Linux kernel?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
In comments to http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061107194320461 (Details of Novell-MS Pact - The SEC filing) --- The Linux kernel seriously needs to be forked to a GPL v3 version, those kernel contributors that don't want to contribute their code as GPL v3 should have their code

Re: Novell-MS Pact: Novellization

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
In (article and) comments to http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061107194320461 (Details of Novell-MS Pact - The SEC filing) PJ: - Now do you get it, that Tivoization is a metaphor for creative ways to make the GPL toothless? It's a trend, not an isolated event. There's money to be

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread xp_newbie
John Hasler wrote: Yes. Terekhov is troll, deliberately trying to confuse you. Ignore him. Indeed, I got very confused by his remarks, especially when he referred me to GPL stuff, which is *not* what I asked about. However, his last comment You seem to forgot provided that the terms permit

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Which means that I have to grant my customers access to my source code??? And GPL your wife and kids. Then http://www.gnu.org/help/donate.html. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: Confused about LGPL terms - can you help?

2006-11-08 Thread John Hasler
Alex writes: Well... if I *dynamically* link to the library, is it considered combine or link a work that uses the Library with the Library to produce a work containing portions of the Library ? If so, then the 4 conditions that I listed in my last message as complying with the LGPL license