LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-20 Thread JohnF
Looking for a discussion of the advantages/disadvantages/repercussions/anything else relevant of re-licensing my GPL'ed code www.forkosh.com/mimetex.html under the LGPL instead. I've received several (a handful, not a ton) of requests to do this, and have so far always just replied, No. I

Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-20 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Encouraging contributions isn't usually a motivation to switch to LGPL. The writers of proprietary software will generally keep the most useful functionality in their application code (rather than in your library) and will contribute as little as possible. A permissive licence (such as the

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread rjack
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: In the last three years, Moglen and Ravicher together have received over $1,000,000 in compensation from public charitable contributions as S.F.L.C. officers. Good for them! I hope they get more. I know enough about causation to conclude that this will cause pockets

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread James Kanze
On Jul 19, 11:25 am, terminator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 18, 11:24 pm, Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolfgang Draxinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I know only the comments Linus Torvalds made about the implications of using C++ to

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Alf P. Steinbach
* James Kanze: C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. I'm not sure that statement is valid. It would be very surprising, to say the least, if no or just a very few commercial applications were written in

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Alf P. Steinbach
* Alf P. Steinbach: * James Kanze: C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. I'm not sure that statement is valid. It would be very surprising, to say the least, if no or just a very few commercial

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Flash Gordon
James Kanze wrote, On 20/07/08 09:23: On Jul 19, 11:25 am, terminator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In short words today`s C++ cannot be considered as general purpose as C used to be in good old days. C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable)

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Richard Heathfield
James Kanze said: snip C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. So MS Windows is not commercial software? Interesting. (Early versions of MS Windows were written almost entirely in C.) -- Richard

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread peter koch
On 20 Jul., 10:23, James Kanze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 19, 11:25 am, terminator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C was never really a good general purpose language.  It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. This is not correct. My guess would be that there is

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Richard Heathfield
[followups set to clc] peter koch said: snip My guess would be that there is loads of C-based software around. Speaking for myself, I have been developing commercial software in C from the days before C++ became popular. The software was a financial package which is still today very

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Hyman Rosen
rjack wrote: The term “pro bono” is used to describe professional work undertaken voluntarily and without payment as a public service. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_bono says A judge may occasionally determine that the loser should compensate a winning pro bono counsel.

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Hyman Rosen
rjack wrote: Each time the SFLC has filed a suit, GPL'd source code has appeared. This correlation proves your hypothesis Every day an SFLC suit was filed, little children died in the Sudan. This correlation proves the SFLC is killing little children. It is reasonable to believe that when

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Man oh man. Hyman Rosen managed to find out that SFLC wants scripts... yet PRAYER FOR RELIEF doesn't mention scripts. Of course not. The prayer for relief is simply asking the defendant to stop illegally distributing the plaintiff's software, and to compensate

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Release Date Filename 11/27/2007 actiontec_opensrc_mi424wr.tar.gz Hmmm... looks like Actiontec is at least attempting to honor the license. I haven't researched what's in the tarball, but at least it's there. So, again, why is SFLC suing Verizon? Actiontec and

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: rjack wrote: Every time (with 100% correlation) when the S.F.L.C. files a plaintiff's GPL case in the S.D.N.Y., this action causes the plaintiff to voluntarily dismiss his pointless lawsuit without the court ever reviewing the legal status of the GPL or any of

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Heathfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Kanze said: snip C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. So MS Windows is not commercial software? Interesting. Last time I looked, UNIX was not

Re: LGPL vs. GPL

2008-07-20 Thread JohnF
Ciaran O'Riordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Encouraging contributions isn't usually a motivation to switch to LGPL. The writers of proprietary software will generally keep the most useful functionality in their application code (rather than in your library) and will contribute as little as

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread David Kastrup
rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: The proof will be, once the case is over, whether the defendants properly make available the sources of the GPLed software that they are distributing. That most likely will be the case, because quoting from the complaint: Each time the

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: rjack wrote: Every time (with 100% correlation) when the S.F.L.C. files a plaintiff's GPL case in the S.D.N.Y., this action causes the plaintiff to voluntarily dismiss his pointless lawsuit without the court ever reviewing the legal status of the GPL or any of

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Linonut
* Hyman Rosen peremptorily fired off this memo: rjack wrote: Every time (with 100% correlation) when the S.F.L.C. files a plaintiff's GPL case in the S.D.N.Y., this action causes the plaintiff to voluntarily dismiss his pointless lawsuit without the court ever reviewing the legal status

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Moshe Goldfarb.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:27:09 -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: You have not provide an instance where after the SFLC ended a Hyman, Are you related to Moses Rosen? I had a friend with that name who I believe had a son named Hyman and a daughter named Hedy. Just asking. Shalom! -- Moshe Goldfarb

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Hyman Rosen
rjack wrote: U. What settlements. The imaginary ones? The settlements it reaches in its cases. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Hyman Rosen
rjack wrote: That's right. I'm gonna' let *you* provide the *verifiable evidence* for *your* claims of settlements. I'm not going to do that. It's enough for me to provide reasonable inferences to counter the absurd claims that you and Terekhov make. There's no chance that either of you will

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: rjack wrote: That's right. I'm gonna' let *you* provide the *verifiable evidence* for *your* claims of settlements. I'm not going to do that. That's right neither you nor the S.F.L.C. have ever produced any verifiable evidence for any legal claims and you never will.

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Linonut
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Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread rjack
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Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread lawrence . jones
Alf P. Steinbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be very surprising, to say the least, if no or just a very few commercial applications were written in C. All of my company's major commercial applications are written predominantly in C, including one that's completely object oriented but

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Lorenzo Villari
James Kanze [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto nel messaggio news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Funny, I use it for that, with no problem. (Well, I'm not sure what you consider web programming, but Firefox is written mainly in C++. But maybe you don't consider that web programming.) I'm maybe wrong, but I

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hyman Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The SFLC continues to file cases on behalf of their clients, who can therefore be assumed to be satisfied with the service they are receiving. What's puzzling is that rjack appears to be right about one very important thing,

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread James Kanze
On Jul 20, 10:50 am, Alf P. Steinbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * James Kanze: C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. I'm not sure that statement is valid. It would be very surprising, to say the

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread James Kanze
On Jul 20, 1:51 pm, Richard Heathfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Kanze said: snip C was never really a good general purpose language. It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. So MS Windows is not commercial software? Interesting. Yes. Commercial

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread David Kastrup
rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: rjack wrote: That's right. I'm gonna' let *you* provide the *verifiable evidence* for *your* claims of settlements. I'm not going to do that. That's right neither you nor the S.F.L.C. have ever produced any verifiable evidence for any

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread peter koch
On 20 Jul., 21:59, James Kanze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 10:50 am, Alf P. Steinbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * James Kanze: C was never really a good general purpose language.  It was never used (nor even usable) in commercial software, for example. I'm not sure that

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread Moshe Goldfarb.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:45:59 -0700, Tim Smith wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hyman Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The SFLC continues to file cases on behalf of their clients, who can therefore be assumed to be satisfied with the service they are receiving. What's puzzling is that

Re: SFLC's GPL court enforcement -- track record

2008-07-20 Thread rjack
Tim Smith wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hyman Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The SFLC continues to file cases on behalf of their clients, who can therefore be assumed to be satisfied with the service they are receiving. What's puzzling is that rjack appears to be right about one very

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Richard Heathfield
[followups set to clc] James Kanze said: snip You can't really do accounting in C, for example, Really? How strange. I've done loads of accounting in C. (But then I've always been good at doing the impossible.) because it has neither a built in decimal type (like Cobol), nor operator

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Sherman Pendley
Lorenzo Villari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm maybe wrong, but I was under the impression that for Firefox they use gtk+, which is written in C... Gtk+ is indeed written in C, but it's object-oriented and has bindings for a number of languages, including C++. sherm-- -- My blog:

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
Sherman Pendley wrote: Lorenzo Villari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm maybe wrong, but I was under the impression that for Firefox they use gtk+, which is written in C... Gtk+ is indeed written in C, but it's object-oriented And?! Coding something in C doesn't mean you must abandon using

Re: C++ equivalent to spaghetti code

2008-07-20 Thread Willem
James Kanze wrote: ) Yes. Commercial can be used in several senses (and I'm not sure ) of the usual English usage here). There's a lot of software ) written in C that is commercial in the sense that it is sold ) (i.e. commercial as opposed to free software). What I was ) talking about, however,