Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

2009-04-04 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:34:29 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:3ijal.118624$rg3.97...@newsfe17.iad... On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:55:28 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: [...] All it really indicates is that is was likely a term or result of the

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Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act. What's your argument that isn't enforceable? -Thufir

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry any baggage related to being hauled into federal court by a band of wild-eyed zealots who

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry any baggage related to being hauled into federal court by a band of

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act. What's your argument that isn't enforceable? The GPL

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tvqdnf7tyeli7evunz2dnuvz_g2wn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written guarantee not to sue

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fudbl.727$9t6@newsfe10.iad... On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:e2dbl.724$9t6@newsfe10.iad... On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:34:29 -0400, amicus_curious wrote: Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:3ijal.118624$rg3.97...@newsfe17.iad... On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:55:28 -0400,

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tvqdnf7tyeli7evunz2dnuvz_g2wn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act. What's your argument that isn't

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: Sure, but the hollering about GPL is not enforceable is beside the point I am beginning to believe that you *really* don't understand that a U.S. court will refuse to enforce an illegal contract term against a defendant regardless of whether the defendant

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: The CAFC's copyright decisions are utterly irrelevant to U.S. copyright law. The fact that the CAFC ignored it's own precedent simply demonstrates your confused mind since the CAFC has no copyright law precedent. Rjack is assuming that stare decisi applies only to

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gr82or$kj...@blue.rahul.net... Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Sure, but the hollering about GPL is not enforceable is beside the point I am beginning to believe that you *really* don't understand that a U.S. court will refuse to enforce an illegal contract term against a defendant regardless of

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: The CAFC's copyright decisions are utterly irrelevant to U.S. copyright law. The fact that the CAFC ignored it's own precedent simply demonstrates your confused mind since the CAFC has no copyright law precedent. Rjack is assuming that stare

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four Divisions, as follows: . . . 22.2. The common law of England, so far as it is not

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxtomxt.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gr823h$gk...@blue.rahul.net... Rjack u...@example.net writes: Sure, but the hollering about GPL is not enforceable is beside the point I am beginning to believe that you *really* don't understand that a U.S. court

Re: Microsoft and TomTom settle

2009-04-04 Thread Tim Smith
In article e2dbl.724$9t6@newsfe10.iad, Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: Err, why would a jury have anything to say about a settlement? How could this settlement ever be introduced as evidence in some other case? The point of settling is, partially, to avoid a jury. Suppose

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread Rahul Dhesi
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: I think you are placing too much emphasis on the term illegal. In the GPL sense, since it is a civil issue, the term is equivalent to unenforcable or invalid or any other word that boils down to being unable to recover damages. Rjack, he's posting this

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: I think you are placing too much emphasis on the term illegal. In the GPL sense, since it is a civil issue, the term is equivalent to unenforcable or invalid or any other word that boils down to being unable to recover damages. Rjack,

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four Divisions, as follows: . . . 22.2. The common law of England, so far as it is not repugnant to or