Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread DJ Delorie
Colby Russell writes: > This software might be open source and use the open source development > model, but it won't be free software > > If that's the case, then it has to be true that the four freedoms are > necessary but not sufficient to say that a piece of software is free >

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread Colby Russell
A few months ago, I wrote a post about how sufficient free software / the four freedoms are. On 10/22/19 1:08 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> It has already its constitution in GNU manifesto and other articles of >> free software philosophy as written by Dr. Richard M. Stallman. > > Can we distill this

Re: What is governance and to whom would it extend to in the GNU Project?

2019-10-23 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Carlos, "Carlos O'Donell" skribis: > A governance model would apply to all of the people who are part of > the GNU Project, and so discussing these two points makes sense to me. > I look forward to any feedback about this. Not surprisingly, I agree that GNU could benefit from a better

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I agree. I think in practice many (most?) maintainers not only agree to uphold the free software values, but also share them. In practise, we cannot know -- making the assumption is dangerous. It also excludes people who still wish to contribute to the GNU project but have a different set

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
RMS is a bus factor of one. That is true, and that is something that is already being worked on on reducing. None of this was a grave issue last year, 5 years ago, or 10 years ago it can surley wait a while more. So a bit of patience. ___

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, Mark Wielaard skribis: > For my own GNU project (some years ago) we did use savannah, but we > had to give up on lists.gnu.org because it just didn't scale to the > volume of email that we produced. Savannah didn't provide a wiki, so we > set one up ourselves, etc. We had setup our own

What is governance and to whom would it extend to in the GNU Project?

2019-10-23 Thread Carlos O'Donell
I wanted to kick off a conversation about what is a governance model, and to whom it would apply. A governance model would apply to all of the people who are part of the GNU Project, and so discussing these two points makes sense to me. I look forward to any feedback about this. What is a

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 14:00 -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:55 PM DJ Delorie wrote: > > Even if we all agree on the "big picture simple answer" the details and > > "best practices" are just as important. > > > > Do you have any suggestions for filling in these details?

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

2019-10-23 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 14:54 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > Well, that covers quite a bit. Not all of it, I assume. That might > be enough for projects that live 100% in the gnu.org domain, but not all > do. The ones that do, just need to check that they really are, and the > ones that don't, need a