Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- One Year Anniversary Edition

2008-07-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
ROFL Monday, June 30, 2008 GPLv3 One Year Anniversary Edition 06/29/08 The GPL v3 Watch List is intended to give you a snapshot of the GPLv3/LGPLv3/AGPLv3 adoption for the past year. This Edition: GPLv3 - One Year Later GPLv3 - 10,000 projects Interviews Conversation With Chris

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben: Copyleft Capitalism: GPLv3 and the Future of Software Innovation

2007-11-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Enjoy... ROFL http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2007/11/14/video-of-eben-moglens-talk-at-ibm-research-now-available-online/ --- Video of Eben Moglen’s Talk at IBM Research Now Available Online I just got a note from Joe Latone of IBM Research that brought the happy news that the video of

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
James White wrote: I'm sorry, but I just couldn't read much past this totally asinine statement: Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-12 Thread rjack
James White wrote: The most relevant 2 paragraphs, since you apparently weren't even able to read that far. Neutralizing Laws That Prohibit Free Software - But Not Forbidding DRMYou're probably familiar with the Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) on DVDs and other media. You're probably also

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-11 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the LAW? Copyright law gives the copyright holder that right, as long as the terms do not violate

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-11 Thread James White
The most relevant 2 paragraphs, since you apparently weren't even able to read that far. Neutralizing Laws That Prohibit Free Software - But Not Forbidding DRMYou're probably familiar with the Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) on DVDs and other media. You're probably also familiar with the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-10 Thread rjack
James White wrote: I'm sorry, but I just couldn't read much past this totally asinine statement: Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the LAW?

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-10 Thread Richard Tobin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], James White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the LAW? I don't see any mention of law in

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-10 Thread James White
I'm sorry, but I just couldn't read much past this totally asinine statement: Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the LAW? -- James E. White

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 01:04:06PM -0500, James White wrote: Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the LAW? Well, if you contest it you must thing

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html -- A Quick Guide to GPLv3 by Brett Smith [This article is also available in PDF and reStructuredText formats.] After a year and a half of public consultation, thousands of comments, and four drafts, version 3 of the GNU General

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben: Copyleft Capitalism: GPLv3 and the Future of Software Innovation

2007-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/eben-moglen-copyleft-capitalism-gplv3-and-the-future-of-software-innovation/ Today I heard the best single presentation on open-source and free software I have ever personally attended, in a talk by Columbia Professor of Law Eben Moglen, on the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: Microsoft cannot declare itself exempt from the requirements of GPLv3

2007-08-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ha ha. --- Microsoft cannot declare itself exempt from the requirements of GPLv3 Microsoft has engaged in anticompetitive conduct in the software industry for many years, and has sought to attack free software for almost as long, Free Software Foundation says BOSTON, Massachusetts,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- ACT vs GPLv3

2007-07-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Washington, DC Office 1401 K Street NW | Suite 502 Washington, DC 20005 Brussels Office Square de Meeus, 35 B-1000 Brussels Belgium (emphasis removed below) -- Can the GPLv3 Make Microsoft Grant Patent Licences to the Free Software Community? The FSF has finally released

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- LinuxElectrons: Microsoft Issues Statement Concerning the GPLv3 and Novell Agreement

2007-07-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/linux/10565/microsoft-issues-statement-concerning-gplv3-novell-agreement Microsoft Issues Statement Concerning the GPLv3 and Novell Agreement Published: Thursday, July 05 2007 @ 7:04 PM CDT Contributed by: Tommy Today, Microsoft issued the following

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- internetnews: Stallman Urges Users to Upgrade to GPLv3

2007-06-30 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3686486 --- Stallman Urges Users to Upgrade to GPLv3 By Sean Michael Kerner After nearly 16 years of use, the GPL -- the cornerstone license of the Free Software Movement -- has officially been revised. GPL version 3 (GPLv3) was released

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- linux-watch: GPLv3 arrives, but nobody seems to care

2007-06-30 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4771709849.html --- GPLv3 arrives, but nobody seems to care Jun. 29, 2007 I've been following the evolution of this latest version of the seminal open-source license since it was a twinkle in Richard M. Stallman's eye. I have no no doubt that a lot of hard

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Gardner: Sun demurs from adopting GPL v3 for OpenSolaris, keeps CDDL only

2007-06-30 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/?p=2489 --- June 30th, 2007 Sun demurs from adopting GPL v3 for OpenSolaris, keeps CDDL only Posted by Dana Gardner @ 7:21 am Categories: Open Source, Software Infrastructure, Enterprise Java, Linux, Microsoft, Windows, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Red Hat,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- The Jem Report: GPLv3 license marks GNU's decline

2007-06-30 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/317/ --- GPLv3 license marks GNU's decline Written by Jem Matzan Jun 29, 2007 at 08:20 AM The GNU General Public License version 3 is unleashed to the world today, ready and willing to conquer perceived problems with the legal

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- sheehantu: Free Software Licenses in a Nutshell

2007-06-30 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://sheehantu.wordpress.com/2007/06/30/free-software-licenses-in-a-nutshell/ --- Free Software Licenses in a Nutshell When I jumped into the Linux/open-source world I didn’t know nor care about the different licenses software had attached with it. I guess I was used to adhering to

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: iPhone restricts users, GPLv3 frees them

2007-06-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
ROTFL http://www.fsf.org/iphone-gplv3 --- iPhone restricts users, GPLv3 frees them BOSTON, Massachusetts, USA—Thursday, June 28, 2007—On Friday, June 29, not everyone in the continental U.S. will be waiting in line to purchase a $500 iPhone. In fact, hundreds of thousands of digital

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- linux-watch: GPL version 3 arrives

2007-06-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8688613635.html --- GPL version 3 arrives Jun. 29, 2007 As expected, the FSF (Free Software Foundation) released the long-awaited GPLv3 (GNU General Public License version 3), the third generation of the world's most popular free software license. Since

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: iPhone restricts users, GPLv3 frees them

2007-06-29 Thread amicus_curious
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROTFL http://www.fsf.org/iphone-gplv3 --- iPhone restricts users, GPLv3 frees them BOSTON, Massachusetts, USA-Thursday, June 28, 2007-On Friday, June 29, not everyone in the continental U.S. will be waiting

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: iPhone restricts users, GPLv3 frees them

2007-06-29 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Professor Stallman? RMS is a honorary professor at several universities. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- CRN: GPL 3 Set To Go Live

2007-06-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.crn.com/software/21154 - GPL 3 Set To Go Live By Stacy Cowley, CRN 4:51 PM EDT Mi. Jun. 27, 2007 A multiyear process to draft a successor to the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2, the most widely used open-source software license, will end this week, as the GPL

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- IT Business Edge: Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better

2007-06-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=30043 - Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better Source: IT Business Edge | Priority: Leveraging Open Source | Topic: Open Source Licenses Date Published: 6/21/2007 With Lawrence Rosen, founding partner of Rosenlaw Einschlag, a technology law

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- IT Business Edge: Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better

2007-06-26 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better GPLv3 isn't Stallman's ideal licence either. He would prefer that the tivoisation and patent clauses be stronger, but as well as writing a licence that is better than GPLv2, Stallman is writing a licence that people will use. If nobody uses a licence,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Luis Villa's GPL v3 QA (PART 1)

2007-06-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/06/26/gpl-v3-the-qa-part-1-the-license/ - GPL v3, the QA: part 1- the license Q: So why are we here? A: At the end of this week, after 16 years, the Free Software Foundation should bless version three of the GNU General Public License, the sequel to what is

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- IT Business Edge: Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better

2007-06-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better GPLv3 isn't Stallman's ideal licence either. He would prefer that the tivoisation and patent clauses be stronger, but as well as writing a licence that is better than GPLv2, Stallman is writing a licence that people will

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- IT Business Edge: Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better

2007-06-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Er.. Alexander Terekhov wrote: Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Rosen: GPL Is Good, but OSL Is Better GPLv3 isn't Stallman's ideal licence either. He would prefer that the tivoisation and patent clauses be stronger, but as well as writing a licence that is better than GPLv2, Stallman is

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- eWeek: Is Open Source Dying?

2007-06-23 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2148866,00.asp Is Open Source Dying? By Michael Hickins June 21, 2007 Opinion: Some good ideas are too good for this world. Is this one of them? On the face of it, open-source software has been gaining ground of late. The much-anticipated

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Brazilian GNUtian Oliva: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-22 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Over there on LKML... the thread is unfolding... LOL. Alexandre Oliva wrote: Here's an idea that just occurred to me, after all the discussions about motivations, tit-for-tat, authors' wishes and all. If GPLv3 were to have a clause that permitted combination/linking with code under GPLv2,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Viro: Do piss off. You know full well what I'm saying.

2007-06-22 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Al Viro wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:15:03PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, Al Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:39:07AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: - the kernel Linux could use code from GPLv3 projects ... and inherit GPLv3

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Oliva: additional permissions to combine

2007-06-22 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, Al Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:00:22PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Do you agree that if there's any single contributor who thinks it can't be tivoized, and he manages his opinion to prevail in court against a

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Brazilian GNUtian Oliva: the GPL is not a contract, it's a license

2007-06-22 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Kudos to Eben. :-) Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 22, 2007, Tomas Neme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing is, what matters in copyright and licencing matters is what the author of the code understands, no the licence's author, if ambiguous. And the kernel's rights holder is Linus.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Comment 3380: Combining propietary and GPL code

2007-06-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/rt/summarydecision.html?filename=%%20gplv3-draft-2%20%id=3380 --- Comment 3380: Combining propietary and GPL code This Comment is resolved by: This Comment is part of the discussion on: Regarding the text: Inclusion of a covered work in an aggregate does not

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Rosen: Comments on GPLv3

2007-06-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.rosenlaw.com/GPLv3-Comments.htm --- Comments on GPLv3 by Lawrence Rosen[1] Many long months ago I committed to help Eben Moglen and his colleagues at the Free Software Foundation and the Software Freedom Law Center write a better license than GPLv2. They have done so and I

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Viro: _that_ is a final draft?

2007-06-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Al Viro wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:56:24AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Can you please acknowledge that it doesn't, such that I can feel I've fulfilled my goal of dispelling the myth that the GPLv3 changes the spirit of the GPL? No. I don't do metaphysics. This thread alone

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Williams: it's time to drop the GPL

2007-06-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Joshua David Williams wrote: On 6/17/07, Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody else just cares about the legal reasons. The legal terms is the only reason a license *exists*. That's what a license *is*, for crying out loud! If you don't care about the legal side, go

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Harkes: GPLv3 seems to fall short on actually preventing tivoization

2007-06-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Jan Harkes wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:31:30PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the GPLv3 world, we have already discussed in this thread how you can follow the GPLv3 by making the TECHNICALLY INFERIOR choice of using a ROM

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Williams: it's time to drop the GPL

2007-06-19 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
FSF is so caught up in their own agenda that they're forgetting the whole point - the freedom of choice. Who's whole point? They're so caught up in the whole point of the freedoms they value (being able to help yourself, and each person being able to cooperate with each other is the point)

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Viro: How many GPL spirits can dance on the end of a pin?

2007-06-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Al Viro wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:31:00AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: I'm not trying to say why Linus and others chose the GPLv2. I'm not trying to determine what their motivations were. I'm not trying to force them to change to GPLv3. I'm not trying to convince them

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Brownawell: GPLv3, DFSG, Tivo, and GPLv3 (a different part of it)

2007-06-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://technocrat.net/d/2007/6/15/21602 -- GPLv3, DFSG, Tivo, and GPLv3 (a different part of it) Timothy Brownawell Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:32:37 PDT Open Source Software The current draft of the GNU GPL v3 includes several paragraphs intended to prevent Tivoization, or the use of GPL

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: GPLv2 does not state that you have to become a slave of rms

2007-06-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Michael Gerdau wrote: I beg to differ. By adopting _his_ license you adopted his view. I'm sorry, but that's simply bullshit. The GPLv2 does not state that you have to become a slave of rms and follow him in all things, and agree with him.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- SYS-CON: Think Linus Will Defer to Sun on GPLv3? The Answer May Hinge on a Bottle of Wine

2007-06-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Nice picture, follow the link. http://linux.sys-con.com/read/390392.htm -- Think Linus Will Defer to Sun on GPLv3? The Answer May Hinge on a Bottle of Wine I didn't really expect them to open source Java either so it's not like I'm infallible in my predictions By: Java News Desk Jun. 16,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Landley: Not Going There (tm) (re 'license' vs 'contract')

2007-06-16 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rob Landley wrote: Er, copyright law is federal, contract law is generally state level? So not only does contract law vary a lot more by jurisdiction, but it's enforced by different courts than suits over copyright? (You'll notice the GPL doesn't say which state

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Viro: you are preaching to non-believers

2007-06-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Al Viro wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:57:59PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 16, 2007, Bernd Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What this means for the FSF goals if Tivo get up one morning and

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben: Lawyers licensed to practice in any country are invited

2007-06-15 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
SFLC is looking for cheap labor ... That's how it reads to me. Well, don't sign up then. Sheesh. -- Ciarán O'Riordan __ \ http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3 http://ciaran.compsoc.com/ _ \ GPLv3 and other work supported by http://fsfe.org/fellows/ciaran/weblog \

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linux-Watch: Linspire, Microsoft in Linux-related deal

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6121484436.html -- Linspire, Microsoft in Linux-related deal Jun. 13, 2007 Linspire Inc. on June 13 announced an agreement to license voice-enabled instant messaging, Windows Media 10 CODECs, and TrueType font technologies from Microsoft for its Linux

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: I'm damn fed up with the FSF

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Over there on LKML... chuckles Linus Torvalds wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Look, there was room for misunderstandings in earlier drafts of the license. Based on the public comments, the wording was improved. I'd like to think the issues that arose from

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: I'd be a total moron to relicense the kernel under what I believe is a worse license

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
I'm almost inclined to donate some EUROs to RMS/FSF and Eben's law firm SFLC for all that fun... chuckles Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: In other words, Red Hat distributes copies (and yes, you *get* that copy), and you cannot modify that copy that

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben: Lawyers licensed to practice in any country are invited

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Being finished with the GPLv3 (life after...) Eben invites lawyers to apply and participate in this program. However, please keep in mind that all participants will need to arrange for their own accommodations in the New York City area for the duration of the program. Participants will also be

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: You're a moron. I'm the original author

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Last I looked, TiVO was not the author of Linux. Did you sell out or something? ;-P :-D You're a moron. I'm the original author, and I selected the GPLv2 for Linux. Tivo accepted that, and followed the GPLv2.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: I'm intelligent

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I chose the GPLv2, fully understanding that the Tivo kind of situation is ok. Wow, do you remember the date when you first thought of this business

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: It's about keeping *me* happy ... Your *IDIOTIC* suggestion is explicitly against the whole POINT!

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I'm not stupid. The GPLv3 explicitly allows removing additional permissions. So what? You just refrain from accepting contributions that attempt

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linus: the current GPLv3 draft looks fine apart from ... Just google for torvalds tit-for-tat ... I don't ask for money.

2007-06-14 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Is there anything other than TiVOization to justify these statements? Do you need anything else? But if by the question you mean would you think the GPLv3 is fine without the new language in section 6 about the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Sin's Schwartz to Linus: I invite you to my house for dinner. I'll cook, you bring the wine.

2007-06-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/one_plus_one_is_fifty -- Wednesday Jun 13, 2007 An OpenSolaris/Linux Mashup To non-technical readers of this blog, or those uninterested in the ebbs and tides of the free software world... this might be a good entry to skip. I was just forwarded a

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- BSD's de Raadt to Sin's Schwartz: let me give an example of the duplicity of Sun

2007-06-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/one_plus_one_is_fifty#comment-1181726726000 -- Jonathan, I wish the above was true. 15 years ago I was the biggest Sun fan. Today I speak as the project leader for another set of open source projects -- OpenBSD and OpenSSH. OpenSSH will be better known to

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- INQUIRER: Torvalds remains unconvinced by GPL3

2007-06-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40264 -- Torvalds remains unconvinced by GPL3 Backward step By INQUIRER newsdesk: Tuesday 12 June 2007, 11:07 LINUX TORVALDS is not convinced that the upcoming third version of the General Public Licence (GPLv3) is a good thing. I still

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- INQUIRER: Torvalds remains unconvinced by GPL3

2007-06-12 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
On 2007-06-12, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sin Microsystems *giggle* Arnoud -- Arnoud Engelfriet, Dutch European patent attorney - Speaking only for myself Patents, copyright and IPR explained for techies: http://www.iusmentis.com/

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- INQUIRER: Torvalds remains unconvinced by GPL3

2007-06-12 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40264 No major open source distros have yet lined up behind the GPLv3. Sin Microsystems has been one of its most vocal supporters so far, suggesting that it might choose the licence for its Solaris operating system.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: On 2007-06-10, Lee Hollaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the thing I was thinking about if the House bill had passed was that any contribution by a government contractor (like a university research project) would be in the public domain. How might that affect the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: On 2007-06-10, Lee Hollaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the thing I was thinking about if the House bill had passed was that any contribution by a government contractor (like a university research project) would be in the public domain. How

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread sourceview
On Jun 9, 5:47 am, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902779 -- Pick YourOpenSourcePoison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3 Controversy swirls around the revised General Public License, and Microsoft keeps the heat

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-06-11 às 17:31 +, sourceview escreveu: I must take exception to your initial ideological statement (assumption of fact not proven) which states that most open source software is gpled. I wholeheartedly disagree, and if we were to use precise quantitative terms, the figure would

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-06-11 às 10:37 -0500, rjack escreveu: Using anything beside a Free Software Foundation approved license is the the equivalent of clubbing innocent baby seals. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070611082734557 Hah, how quickly you transform Microsoft clubbing the Free

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-10 Thread Rahul Dhesi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar) writes: In the 108th Congress, there was an effort (H.R. 2613) to extend that to works produced under government contracts. Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work produced pursuant to scientific research substantially funded by the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-10 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
On 2007-06-10, Lee Hollaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the thing I was thinking about if the House bill had passed was that any contribution by a government contractor (like a university research project) would be in the public domain. How might that affect the GPL, and if it did, would it

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-10 Thread John Hasler
Arnoud writes: Why would it affect the GPL? It would not have affected the GPL. What it would have done is caused some works that were released under the GPL to be effectively placed in the public domain. It also would have resulted in a bunch of stuff that ended up closed source being

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902779 -- Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3 Controversy swirls around the revised General Public License, and Microsoft keeps the heat on. By Charles Babcock InformationWeek Jun 9, 2007 12:00

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-09 Thread Lee Hollaar
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902779 Underscoring the user community's clout, Robert J. Carey, CIO of the Navy, last week issued a memo mandating that open source be considered in all Navy software

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-09 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Lee Hollaar wrote: [...] It is interesting to ponder what that might do to GPLed software written in universities under federal grants and contracts. Note DARPA below. http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/211 -- Roads to the GPL Posted June 6th, 2007 by editor in Software Libre Richard

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-09 Thread Lee Hollaar
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rahul Dhesi) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar) writes: In the 108th Congress, there was an effort (H.R. 2613) to extend that to works produced under government contracts. Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Lee Hollaar writes: But the thing I was thinking about if the House bill had passed was that any contribution by a government contractor (like a university research project) would be in the public domain. How might that affect the GPL, and if it did, would it mean the loss of a great source

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linspire: GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences?

2007-06-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: We have customers who have switched from Linspire to Novell because Novell offers patent protection with Microsoft. GPLv3 will prevent what Novell did, so no more customers will leave Linspire for this reason. Sez who? Novell welcomed grandfathering and

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- SYS-CON: Microsoft Spits in GPL Creator Richard Stallman's Eye

2007-06-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Great picture - follow the link :-) http://eclipse.sys-con.com/read/386632.htm -- Microsoft Spits in GPL Creator Richard Stallman's Eye Xandros is also supposed to ship Open XML-OpenDocument translators in its desktop software By: XML News Desk Jun. 8, 2007 09:15 AM Digg This! Goodness,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Microsoft Strikes Linux Patent Deal With LG Electronics

2007-06-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey GNUtian ciaran, I'd greatly appreciate your comments (other GNUtians are welcomed to comment as well). TIA. http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902101 -- Microsoft Strikes Linux Patent Deal With LG Electronics Under a deal with LG Electronics, Microsoft will

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Microsoft Strikes Linux Patent Deal With LG Electronics

2007-06-08 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
MS are trying to chalk down as many of these deals before GPLv3 comes into circulation because they know that people will stop being interested at that point. If MS were really confident in their patent portfolio, they wouldn't have to hand over so much money in each deal, as mentioned here:

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linspire: GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences?

2007-06-07 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
We have customers who have switched from Linspire to Novell because Novell offers patent protection with Microsoft. GPLv3 will prevent what Novell did, so no more customers will leave Linspire for this reason. ...although users may still leave Linspire for other reasons, such as spreading FUD

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linspire: GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences?

2007-06-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter.php -- GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences? by Kevin Carmony (President CEO Linspire, Inc.) June 5th, 2007 The FSF (Free Software Foundation) recently released their latest draft of the proposed new GPL license, v3. In its current form, GPLv3 may

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linspire: GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences?

2007-06-06 Thread Alexander Terekhov
More from Carmony: http://forum.freespire.org/showpost.php?p=63026postcount=35 -- We have customers who have switched from Linspire to Novell because Novell offers patent protection with Microsoft. The FSF has been extremely vocal about v3 limiting these types of deals. I know for a fact

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linspire: GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences?

2007-06-06 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qua, 2007-06-06 às 18:50 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: More from Carmony: http://forum.freespire.org/showpost.php?p=63026postcount=35 -- We have customers who have switched from Linspire to Novell because Novell offers patent protection with Microsoft. The FSF has been

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- vnunet: GPL3 author calls for open source solidarity

2007-06-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2191347/gpl3-author-calls-open-source -- GPL3 co-author Eben Moglen says that open source users must unite in denying Microsoft's intellectual property claims Microsoft attempting to 'divide and conquer' open source software Tom Sanders in California,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bentley: Here We Go Again: Microsoft Inks Deal with Xandros

2007-06-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/osb/?p=156 -- Here We Go Again: Microsoft Inks Deal with Xandros Posted by Lora Bentley on June 4, 2007 at 4:32 pm As we pointed out earlier today, News.com says Microsoft has a new agreement. What’s the big deal? There isn’t one, really — unless you

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bentley: Here We Go Again: Microsoft Inks Deal with Xandros

2007-06-05 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/osb/?p=156 -- Here We Go Again: Microsoft Inks Deal with Xandros Posted by Lora Bentley on June 4, 2007 at 4:32 pm Why would any company deliberately defy license terms? Because it can. Ms. Bentley obviously loves her *own*

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Varghese: is the FSF about to pardon Novell?

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12554/1090/ -- is the FSF about to pardon Novell? By Sam Varghese Thursday, 31 May 2007 Has the Free Software Foundation, like many others, chosen the path of least resistance and decided to bend with the wind? A Reuters report about the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Reuters: Novell won't be punished for Microsoft deal - source

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN3046168420070531 -- Novell won't be punished for Microsoft deal - source May 31, 2007 By Jim Finkle BOSTON (Reuters) - A foundation that owns rights to much of the code behind Linux software has decided not to carry out threats to punish Novell

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Reuters: Novell won't be punished for Microsoft deal - source

2007-05-31 Thread Paolo Gianrossi
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] The foundation controls rights to a group of programs known as the GNU operating system, an important part of Linux. [...] Er.. Actually I'd rather say The foundation controls rights to the GNU operating system, of which the Linux

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Reuters: Novell won't be punished for Microsoft deal - source

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Paolo Gianrossi wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] The foundation controls rights to a group of programs known as the GNU operating system, an important part of Linux. [...] Er.. Actually I'd rather say The foundation controls rights to the GNU

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Varghese: is the FSF about to pardon Novell?

2007-05-31 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12554/1090/ -- is the FSF about to pardon Novell? By Sam Varghese Thursday, 31 May 2007 Has the Free Software Foundation, like many others, chosen the path of least resistance and decided to bend with the

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Varghese: the sting remains, says RMS

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [...] Yikes! ACT put the fear of the Lord in Herr Moglen, Stallman and Perens. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2111879,00.asp Never underestimate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgezxJJa6aU. :-) http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12566/1090/ -- GPLv3: the sting

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: We are still evaluating the risks and costs associated with this text, and look forward to additional feedback

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
ROFL. http://gplv3.fsf.org/dd3-faq -- We attack the Microsoft-Novell deal from two angles. First, in the fourth paragraph of section 11, the draft says that if you arrange to provide patent protection to some of the people who get the software from you, that protection is automatically

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- CRN: GPL 3 'Last Call' Draft Issued, Adoption Date Set In June

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.crn.com/software/199800125 - GPL 3 'Last Call' Draft Issued, Adoption Date Set In June By Stacy Cowley, CRN 4:53 PM EDT The Free Software Foundation (FSF) issued a last call draft of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 3 today, the final iteration in a two-year drafting

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- EDG: the FSF means that it sees no legal way

2007-05-31 Thread Alexander Terekhov
- China Martens (IDG News Service) [...] By incompatible, the FSF means that it sees no legal way to combine code licensed under GPLv2 with code under GPLv3. Such incompatibility is only an issue if developers want to link, merge or combine code from programs licensed under GPLv2 and GPLv3.

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Microsoft Patents FUD Report: Who is Actually Slinging it?

2007-05-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Lee Hollaar wrote: [...] methods implemented in computer software. Forward Inline Original Message Path: uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: The many ways confusion Date: Fri, 25 May

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Yeah, and pigs will fly. Comedian Eben's best stunt this month. http://news.com.com/Eben+Moglen+predicts+broad+embrace+of+GPL+3/2100-7344_3-6186025.html -- The GPL has the power to enable open-source software to dethrone Microsoft from its position of dominance,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread David Kastrup
rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect one reason Eben Moglen is leaving the Free Software Foundation prior to official adoption of the GPL3 is due to concerns about it's illegality. A suit against the FSF for the above cited reasons could have consequences for Moglen's professional

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect one reason Eben Moglen is leaving the Free Software Foundation prior to official adoption of the GPL3 is due to concerns about it's illegality. A suit against the FSF for the above cited reasons could have consequences

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread John Hasler
David Kastrup writes: An illegal document? Well, I've heard quite a few weird attacks on the GPL, but this is the first time I see someone suspecting it to be pornography or similar. Well, the doofuses at SCO claimed GPLv2 was unconstitutional. The phrase illegal document doesn't make a

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Sonny! Uncle Hasler has spoken! John Hasler wrote: David Kastrup writes: An illegal document? Well, I've heard quite a few weird attacks on the GPL, but this is the first time I see someone suspecting it to be pornography or similar. Well, the doofuses at SCO claimed GPLv2 was

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