Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Drazen Kacar wrote: [...] I don't know what is narrowly tailored waiver supposed to look like. Something along the lines below? ;-) http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/MySQL_Contributor_License_Agreement 2.4 You hereby waive any and all moral rights you may have in any of the Contributions,

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-24 Thread Stefan Monnier
You should file your bug report with your distribution and let them forward it. They will know whether the bug is truly in the upstream release or in something they have added and will be able to provide more information and testing and consolidate multiple reports of the same

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread James Carlson
Merijn de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically, this says if Sun ever forgets to credit you, or performs something you consider a mutilation of your work, you won't sue Sun. That's basically true. If such a thing weren't there, then other contributors (including both people inside Sun

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Drazen Kacar
Casper H.S Dik wrote: Drazen Kacar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh? But it says: You agree never to assert against Sun or its licensees or transferees any moral rights therein. That's void under my local copyright law, but the provision certainly is giving copyright rights away.

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Drazen Kacar
James Carlson wrote: Drazen Kacar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Carlson wrote: That's void under my local copyright law, Perhaps. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one. Particularly so for the .hr domain. Well, the .hr domain has copyright law which is similar to

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Drazen Kacar
James Carlson wrote: Merijn de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically, this says if Sun ever forgets to credit you, or performs something you consider a mutilation of your work, you won't sue Sun. That's basically true. If such a thing weren't there, then other contributors

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Drazen Kacar wrote: [...] Irish copyright law gives such moral rights to individuals, the said rights are not transferable and there's no way to give them up, as far as Irish law is concerned. http://www.icla.ie/index.php?information Moral rights may be waived, but a waiver must be in

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Drazen Kacar
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Drazen Kacar wrote: [...] Irish copyright law gives such moral rights to individuals, the said rights are not transferable and there's no way to give them up, as far as Irish law is concerned. http://www.icla.ie/index.php?information Moral rights may

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread John Hasler
Drazen Kacar writes: USA is as arbitrary third location from my point of view. The whole USA, not just California. And I certainly don't want to be dragged in any USA court. Governed by California law does not mean governed by California courts. It just means that whatever court is

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread Merijn de Weerd
On 2006-10-20, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Merijn de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically, this says if Sun ever forgets to credit you, or performs something you consider a mutilation of your work, you won't sue Sun. That's basically true. If such a thing weren't there, then

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-20 Thread James Carlson
Drazen Kacar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nonsense. It protects both Sun and the contributor from being dragged to arbitrary third locations to defend themselves. Dragged by whom? USA is as arbitrary third location from my point of view. The whole USA, not just California. And I certainly

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread Ceri Davies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2006-10-18, Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (4) In other places they claim they're doing this because GNU, Debian, and the BSDs are requiring copyright transfer as well [1]. Well I know that some GNU projects recommend it (emacs, libstdc++),

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2006-10-18, Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (4) In other places they claim they're doing this because GNU, Debian, and the BSDs are requiring copyright transfer as well [1]. Well I know that some GNU projects recommend it (emacs, libstdc++), but by

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread James Carlson
Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a related subject, we have developed a kernel mode driver for our Microsoft Wireless Optical Mice with Tilt Wheel Technology, complete with device file in /dev and all needed ioctls necessary for querying signal strength, battery life status, and other

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread Drazen Kacar
James Carlson wrote: Open Solaris requries a joint copyright arrangement. You can read the details here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement/ As the author you, of course, retain your copyright interest. You don't have to give that away. Eh? But it

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread James Carlson
Drazen Kacar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Carlson wrote: Open Solaris requries a joint copyright arrangement. You can read the details here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement/ As the author you, of course, retain your copyright interest. You

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
Drazen Kacar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Carlson wrote: Open Solaris requries a joint copyright arrangement. You can read the details here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/sun_contributor_agreement/ As the author you, of course, retain your copyright interest. You

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread Casper H . S . Dik
Drazen Kacar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh? But it says: You agree never to assert against Sun or its licensees or transferees any moral rights therein. That's void under my local copyright law, but the provision certainly is giving copyright rights away. And then: Why is that void in you

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread John Hasler
Casper H.S. Dik writes: Why is that void in you rlocal law? (Just interested). In some jurisdictions you are not permitted to give up your moral rights. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Question to the nice folks in g.m.d... I have a couple of nice patches I would like to contribute to the Gentoo project, but I have some doubts. As some people probably already know, Gentoo requires that their contributors transfer copyright of all

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Mike Cox wrote: [...] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/copyright/index.xml GNU...GNU...GNU...To summarize: copyright assignment refers to the process of legally changing the ownership of intellectual property. Hey ueber GNUtian ams, care to educate Gentoonians that intellectual

Installer programs (was: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question)

2006-10-18 Thread CBFalconer
Michael Black wrote: ... snip ... Individual distributions may have their own programs (such as the installer programs), and they may compile the rest in different ways, but generally there isn't much that is different from the rest. And if a patch is actually useful to a program, it

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread John Hasler
Michael writes: If the bug is with a program, the patch should go to the program's developer. If they are applying the patch to 3rd party programs, then it's basically a fork, a new version of an existing program. When I receive a bug report on one of my packages with a patch that I think

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael writes: And if a patch is actually useful to a program, it should be folded into the actual program itself. Yes, but let the distribution forward it. If the distribution claims copyright on the patch, this can prevent it from being folded into

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You should file your bug report with your distribution and let them forward it. They will know whether the bug is truly in the upstream release or in something they have added and will be able to provide more information and testing and consolidate multiple reports of the same bug.

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (4) In other places they claim they're doing this because GNU, Debian, and the BSDs are requiring copyright transfer as well [1]. Well I know that some GNU projects recommend it (emacs, libstdc++), but by far not all; and I have heard

Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-17 Thread Mike Cox
Question to the nice folks in g.m.d... I have a couple of nice patches I would like to contribute to the Gentoo project, but I have some doubts. As some people probably already know, Gentoo requires that their contributors transfer copyright of all contributed material to the Gentoo

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-17 Thread John Hasler
Mike Cox writes: It says there legal action is only possible if all copyright is owned by a single entity. Not true. In other places they claim they're doing this because ... Debian ... [is] requiring copyright transfer as well... Not true. I have heard first hand that Debian not only

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-17 Thread Michael Black
Mike Cox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Question to the nice folks in g.m.d... I have a couple of nice patches I would like to contribute to the Gentoo project, but I have some doubts. As some people probably already know, Gentoo requires that their contributors transfer copyright of all