Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread DJ Delorie
Alexandre François Garreau writes: > Yet expressing it directly, without filter, it has already been > said, is unkind. I agree, and I think this is a key point to understand. The FSF has stated that it will accept work from anyone regardless of what they BELIEVE. Kindness is about what

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 21:21:18 +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > The reason I have been insisting is that inaction towards this kind of > behaviour kills communication in the GNU project - if victims of verbal > abuse are expected to change their opinions to stop the name calling, > or are invited to

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le lundi 24 février 2020, 03:26:17 CET DJ Delorie a écrit : > Alexandre François Garreau writes: > > Yet expressing it directly, without filter, it has already been > > said, is unkind. > > I agree, and I think this is a key point to understand. The FSF has Wait why “the FSF”? until now we

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 19:50:23 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 01:04:45PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > A code of conduct will not sovle the issue. Kind communication will, > > your message like the previous poster are both unkind. > > Well, stating that a person

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 21:21:18 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > Well, I will let it drop - I am quite optimistic that personally I will > survive to insults by random strangers on the Internet. > > The reason I have been insisting is that inaction towards this kind of > behaviour kills

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 20:13:51 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points > > that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is > > trying to

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 20:18:59 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 09:11:46PM +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > > For what it's worth, I believe you have failed to be kind in several > > occasions; from a quick sample of three of your messages I found one > > which was

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 20:13:51 CET Andreas Enge a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points > > that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is > > trying to

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
>So what do you think that someone tries to communicate with the statement >"You are sick"? > Ignore the statement, or see past it -- be the better person. Okay, so if I understand correctly, you are telling me to be less susceptible. No, I'm asking you to help improve the

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Andreas Enge skribis: > The reason I have been insisting is that inaction towards this kind of > behaviour kills communication in the GNU project - if victims of verbal > abuse are expected to change their opinions to stop the name calling, > or are invited to be less susceptible, they will

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Andreas Enge
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:37:35PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >So what do you think that someone tries to communicate with the statement >"You are sick"? > Ignore the statement, or see past it -- be the better person. Okay, so if I understand correctly, you are telling me to be less

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points > that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is > trying to communicate. So what do you think that someone tries to communicate with the statement "You are sick"? Ignore the statement, or

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andreas Enge, 23/02/20 20:50: So far, I have not got the impression that asking aggressive people to communicate kindly has had any effect (while I think I have mostly succeeded in communicating kindly myself) For what it's worth, I believe you have failed to be kind in several occasions;

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Andreas Enge
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 09:11:46PM +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > For what it's worth, I believe you have failed to be kind in several > occasions; from a quick sample of three of your messages I found one which > was dubious and one definitely less than kind ("bickering" Indeed I give you

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Andreas Enge
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points > that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is > trying to communicate. So what do you think that someone tries to communicate with the

Re: Harrassment on this list

2020-02-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
If you feel so much angered by an email, try to see past the points that you get angry about and try to find what the other party is trying to communicate. It is much better to try and steer the discussion in to a constructive direction, than trying to moderate what people can or cannot say --