Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [... FSF: the contract controls ... ] I don't think anything since I don't know not of what you're speaking. But the anecdotal evidence portrayed by your posts leave you very little credit as far as saying a truthful thing goes. Try

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 14:35 +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Keep in mind that copyright law doesn't concern itself with distribution of AUTHORIZED copies and that the act of distribution doesn't turn AUTHORIZED copies into unauthorized copies. Here you

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] Moglen: In all good faith, I can't tell you. If the kernel were pure GPL in its license terms, the answer...would be: You couldn't link proprietary video drivers into it whether dynamically or statically, and you couldn't link drivers which were proprietary in

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alfred M\. Szmidt
The license _does_ apply. It is you who don't get it. You are saying that all companies that have illegal copies of Windows, are not breaking the law, since they are `for internal use' and no rules apply. No one is saying that. Copying of windows software is illegal. So

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alfred M\. Szmidt
In the case of our friend Backslash, I'm assuming that I am this Backslash person; if I'm not ignore the following: Have the decency to call me by my name, instead of calling me obscure names. where he's trying to argue he can copy GPLed software because his company gave him the CD (to

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alfred M\. Szmidt
I am not. A company is a legal entity that enters into agreements as itself. Agents of the company are not party to these agreements. It is not because a work is released under the GPL that you can grab from whenever you please. I never claimed that. Please reread what my claim is:

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alfred M\. Szmidt
In defending your position that combining GPL and some other software on my computer system was not allowed you cited some statements indicating that the GPL did not allow putting additional restrictions on users. How can you draw a conclusion that I can pop by your place, and copy

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] is at it again: [ 8 + 39 lines of quoted content ] [ 2 meaningless lines of original content ] Do we see a pattern here? We have here a person who pokes around apparently all day, every day, on Google, finds stuff and repeatedly reposts it into

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] is at it again: [ 8 + 39 lines of quoted content ] [ 2 meaningless lines of original content ] Hey Rahul, but the most charming piece regarding GNUtian legal system from you is this:

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 18:28 +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: - When you get GNU software by anonymous ftp, *there is no contract* and you have no legal right to use it. You are granted rights by the GPL that you did not have, but these are not legal rights, because you cannot enter into

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] is at it again: [ 8 + 39 lines of quoted content ] [ 2 meaningless lines of original content ] And he follows up with 48 more lines of quoted content! Does anybody remember the zumabot? We seem to have a

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Stefaan A Eeckels
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:35:00 +0100 Alfred M\. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the case of our friend Backslash, I'm assuming that I am this Backslash person; if I'm not ignore the following: Have the decency to call me by my name, instead of calling me obscure names. As you've

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sources.d/msg/3c633bf50d950b8c (early Rahul Dhesi, before he was brainwashed by GNU) You mean that people can't know better and learn in almost 20 years? Know better what? The FSF hired lawyers are telling to the

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Just to stress... Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] http://lwn.net/Articles/147070/ LWN: A while back, you said something about getting an answer from Linus on the Linux kernel license. Since there is a COPYING file that makes it clear that the kernel is governed under the GPL, where's the

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alfred M\. Szmidt
Recent court decisions in Germany? http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/resources/feedback/OIIFB_GPL3_20040903.pdf You are confusing a `critique' of a court decision, and the actual court decision. The courts decision was in favour of the GPL. In short, what Moglen says is perfectly correct, and what

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-07 Thread Alfred M\. Szmidt
As you've noticed, it the backslash in your name. It stands out like a sore thumb. My apologies, I was frustrated with you and David. Noted, I am still abit frustrated with David; and it might have come over you. As for the backslash, I really have no idea how to fix that, sorry.

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread John Hasler
Portuguese Judges wouldn't show such a high level of tolerance against people who make fun of the Judicial system as Wallace is doing. There are rules for dealing with frivolous litigants. I think Wallace is quite serious (though loony), and I think that the judge thinks he is serious, too.

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Recent court decisions in Germany? http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/resources/feedback/OIIFB_GPL3_20040903.pdf You are confusing a `critique' of a court decision, and the actual court decision. That utterly defective judgement (keep in mind that the context is

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] If it is from September 2004 and has not been overruled since then, it Sitecom didn't bothered. So what? would seem like it would have to be printed on _very_ expensive paper in order to be worth less than that. Oh dear. I take it that you agree that the GPL is a

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] If it is from September 2004 and has not been overruled since then, it Sitecom didn't bothered. So what? If the issue would have been unimportant to them, they'd have ceded without waiting for an injunction, wouldn't

Re: Intellectual Property II

2006-02-07 Thread oaky
- As to the definition of derivative work, the uncertainty is experienced by those who would like to make proprietary uses of GPL'd code, and are unsure whether a particular way of making a proprietary enhancement to a free work will certainly or only arguably infringe the free developer's