Re: How can I detect the compiler version used to generate a .a or .so library
Many thanks Alfred Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: How can I detect the compiler version used to generate a .a or .so library ? Depends on so many things, like if the compiler actually adds such data to the output files. GCC dumps such data in the .comments sections of ELF files, so you could use something like `objdump -j .comment -s FILE' to get that stuff. Cheers. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Intellectual Property II
Alexander Terekhov wrote: [...] http://www.ifso.ie/documents/gplv3-launch-2006-01-16.html -- This would not be a presentation about the GPL by me if emphasis was not placed on what you see before you now. This license is Not a Contract. You are not required to accept this License in order to receive a copy of the Program. We have not argued now, nor will we, nor can anyone argue, who reads the text of the language, that the receipt of the code is some quid-pro-quo for the acceptance of some terms. If you are existing in a legal system in which that wasn't what made it a contract, then ...go with God, but arguments based on the contractual exchange of the code for promises of compliance have nothing to do with us. We give permissions here and the enforcement weight of our license lies in the fact that you have no permission to propagate, that is, you have no permission to do what copyright law requires permission to do, but through this license. That's our legal theory and we are sticking to it. -- On another forum, I've posted a link to emoglen.law.columbia.edu/research-agenda.html as an example of Moglen's talent in bullshit rap: Current research proceeds by facilitating high-energy collisions between widely-dispersed non-homogeneous randomly-motivated incremental acts of individual creativity and large masses of ill-gotten wealth. I've also asked if anyone ever saw a computer program written by Eben I am a historian and a computer programmer, (nodody replied thus far). Finally, I suggested that someone must tell Eben that he got a broken link to Manifesto of the Communist Party. See Moglen, The DotCommunist Manifesto[link] (2003). See and hear Moglen, The DotCommunist Manifesto: How Culture Became Property and What We're Going to Do About It[link] (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, November 8, 2001). See also Crane Brinton, The Anatomy of Revolution (New York, Prentice-Hall: 1952) (mult. repr.) (unfree); Barrington Moore, Jr., Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy; Lord and Peasant in the Making of the Modern World (Boston, Beacon Press: 1966) (mult. repr.) (unfree); Karl Marx Friedrich Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party[BROKEN link], (English ed. London, 1888) (Engels ed.) (mult. repr.) (mult. trans.). daydone commented: Now Alex let's not rag on Eben's qualities. It is well known that Eben has impeccable credentials and legal judgement. His wisdom is spread far and wide. Ever free software advocate in the United States accepts what Eben says as gospel truth: Licenses are not contracts: the work's user is obliged to remain within the bounds of the license not because she voluntarily promised, but because she doesn't have any right to act at all except as the license permits. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html Even Groklaw's PJ knows this to be a fact: The GPL is a License, Not a Contract, Which is Why the Sky Isn't Falling http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031214210634851 Only a small, irrelevent segment of the U.S. population doesn't know this. . . the entire federal judiciary and the professional lawyers hired to defend the F.S.F. Perhaps with Eben's charm they'll come to see things his way. . . I guess one can always hope. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Intellectual Property II
http://www.ifso.ie/documents/gplv3-launch-2006-01-16.html Because the deterrent effect of denying the right to have and use and distribute free software is not enough in and of itself to break most patent aggression schemes. Where we have satisfied ourself that narrow targeted patent retaliation may have true deterrent affect, we have however incorporated it into the license as part of a general attempt to do everything we can about the patent problem. Here we believe that one narrow form of retaliation may actually have meaningful effect, so this license gives unlimited permission to privately modify and run the program provided that you do not bring suit for patent infringement against anyone for making, using, or distributing, their works based on the program. And as Richard has already told you, we believe the operative effect of this clause would be to deny continued opportunity to maintain privately modified versions on the part of any party who seeks to use its patent claims to prevent similar or equivalent modifications from being made by others. In this very narrow field we think retaliation may actually deter aggression and we wish therefore to include it. Please note also the way in which the next paragraph makes use of our copyright-culture-free notation scheme. Propagation of covered works is permitted without limitation provided it does not enable parties other than you to make or receive copies. Propagation which does enable them to do so is permitted, as 'distribution', under the conditions of sections 4-6 below. So let us, just for a moment, attend to the question of non-US statutory copyright schemes under the new license. - Hey GNUtians (folk at gnu.misc.discuss), would you please buy your crazy Prof. a new glasses and let him take a brief look at Sections 109 and 117 in the US statutory copyright scheme. Thank you in advance. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL and other licences
What about permission to read my letters don't you understand? You are being singularly disingenuous. What part of `permission to access the CD' do _you_ not understand? ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Eben was absent that day in law school
http://www.ifso.ie/documents/gplv3-launch-2006-01-16.html#em-warranty - The warranty exclusions that were in GPL2 have not been changed saving one way: I took them out of all uppercase. [laughter] I've wanted to do that for a very long time. I've wanted to do that for a very long time because no lawyer on Earth knows what they aren't in mixed case and everybody seems to think that everybody else knows and that he's the only one that doesn't know and he was absent that day in law school. Sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do. - United States Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit: Uniform Commercial Code ยง 2-316(2), which requires that any exclusion or modification of the implied warranty of merchantability be conspicuous, and that any exclusion or modification of the implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose be made in a conspicuous writing. A contract's warranty disclaimer satisfies the conspicuous requirement when it is printed in all capital letters, when it appears in a larger type than the terms around it, or when it is in a larger and boldface type. Likewise, a disclaimer in boldface type, printed in all capitals on the face of the warranty above the buyer's signature meets the definition of conspicuousness. A disclaimer is not [*25] conspicuous, however, when it is printed in small print on the back of the document, when it is the same size and typeface as the terms around it, or when it is not in boldface or capital lettering. But we all know that the GPL is a license-not-a-contract, and so UCC and related case law simply doesn't apply. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL and other licences
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] (And that citation is actually from Frank Zappa, not Confucius, parachutes didn't exist in 500BC, and the proper citation is `A mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work if it is not open'.) :-) Great Confucius also said: Man with an unchecked parachute will jump to conclusion. regards, alexander. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL and other licences
In fact, the entries I quoted refute all the assertions made by Alfred and yourself: You have serious reading problems. 1. Users of a web-based program are not covered by the GPL (and you who like to extrapolate should have no problem in applying that to people in front of a glass teletype). Since they users of web-based programs do not have access to the program they can't get access to the source code; direct access to the program is a prequist to be able to accept the license at all. 2. An organisation making copies for internal use does not distribute the software and can forbid its employees from distributing it outside the company It cannot forbid its employess, it is explicitly prohibited by the license. Go read it. 3. You cannot demand a copy of a GPLed program from the owner of a copy. It is the owner of a copy who decides to distribute it or not If I have legally obtained a copy of the program, I can demand this from the copyright holder (copyright holders are not owners, please stop confusing property with copyright). If the copyright holder states that a program is GPLed, and refuses to give the source code to people who have legally obtained the binary, then the copyright holder can be sued for false advertisment or whatever. Read the FAQs again. Try and find _one_ that supports your interpretation. Think about what the great Confucius said: Mind like parachute, only works when open. :-) You should read the FAQ, the GPL, and copyright law. (And that citation is actually from Frank Zappa, not Confucius, parachutes didn't exist in 500BC, and the proper citation is `A mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work if it is not open'.) Cheers. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
