MingW/Windows: Building g++ import lib for existing DLL

2009-02-05 Thread Alf P. Steinbach
Hi. [I don't know whether this, MinGW g++ tool usage, is on-topic here. I've failed to find a more relevant group. *MULTI-POST*: posted yesterday to gnu.gcc.help.] I'm trying to build an import library for the Windows GDI+ API (Windows' basic modern graphics API), because it isn't supported

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alfred! On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 09:19:56AM +0100, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: The degree of creativity involved in writing a few comparison and conditional/unconditional jump instructions is too low to merit copyright, just as composing the sentence This is silly.

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The degree of creativity involved in writing a few comparison and conditional/unconditional jump instructions is too low to merit copyright, just as composing the sentence This is silly. would be. Well, depends... Duff's device is quite a smart

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Afternoon, Alfred! On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 01:12:53PM +0100, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: The degree of creativity involved in writing a few comparison and conditional/unconditional jump instructions is too low to merit copyright, just as composing the

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: SIXTH DEFENSE (FIRST SALE DOCTRINE) Plaintiffs claims are barred by the first sale doctrine. When defendants post an answer to a complaint, they assert every conceivable defense against the arguments of the plaintiffs. That's routine lawyering. Then the plaintiffs

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: The SFLC will NEVER, NEVER allow a court to review the enforcibility of the GPL. Not as long as defendants NEVER, NEVER decline to settle. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Professor Robert P. Merges But what is most significant about the agreement is that it purports to restrict subsequent transferees who receive software from a licensee, presumably even if the licensee fails to attach a copy of the agreement. Of course the GPL does no such

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Note that the copyright of executable files is invariably held to be held by those who have copyright of the source files, not those who wrote the compiler. An interesting aside is that the source and executable forms of a computer program do not have separate copyrights.

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: The SFLC will NEVER, NEVER allow a court to review the enforcibility of the GPL. Not as long as defendants NEVER, NEVER decline to settle. Yeah... Is that like Verizon Communications telling the SFLC to kiss their royal, deep-pocketed ass and subsequently

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Note that the copyright of executable files is invariably held to be held by those who have copyright of the source files, not those who wrote the compiler. An interesting aside is that the source and

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Rjack
Rjack wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Note that the copyright of executable files is invariably held to be held by those who have copyright of the source files, not those who wrote the compiler. An interesting aside is that the source

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Rjack
Rjack wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Note that the copyright of executable files is invariably held to be held by those who have copyright of the source files, not those who wrote the compiler. An interesting aside is that the source

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: An interesting aside is that the source and executable forms of a computer program do not have separate copyrights. They are considered to be the same work for copyright purposes. Are you sure, on this one? Yes. See

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Is that like Verizon Communications telling the SFLC to kiss their royal, deep-pocketed ass and subsequently receiving a NICE BIG, FAT voluntary dismissal *WITH PREDJUDICE*. It is only your interpretation that this is what happened. The manufacturer of the routers, Actiontec, made

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: I have argued that a compiler adds no creative element to qualify the translation because of its fixed algorithms but this is a legally unsupported *conjecture*. It is the codified practice of the US Copyright Office.

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: They are *not* considered to be the same work for copyright purposes. One form is considered to be a translation of the other. That makes one a *derivative* work of the other under US law: You are wrong. http://ipmall.info/hosted_resources/CopyrightCompendium/chapter_0300.asp

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: They are *not* considered to be the same work for copyright purposes. One form is considered to be a translation of the other. That makes one a *derivative* work of the other under US law: You are wrong.

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: If you think the Copyright Office may re-define the definitions provided by Congress in the Copyright Act then you are either extremely naive or smoking something causing you to hallucinate. Given the choice of believing you or believing the manual of

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.copyright.gov/reports/studies/dmca/sec-104-report-vol-1.pdf While disposition of a work downloaded to a floppy disk would only implicate the distribution right, the transmission of a work from one person to another

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread amicus_curious
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:cndil.225$ti1@newsfe21.iad... Rjack wrote: Is that like Verizon Communications telling the SFLC to kiss their royal, deep-pocketed ass and subsequently receiving a NICE BIG, FAT voluntary dismissal *WITH PREDJUDICE*. It is only your

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread ZnU
In article hshil.3427$pm6.2...@newsfe08.iad, Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Rjack wrote: Anyone who conveys copies of covered works is not bound by the GPL's voidable terms and has a perfect defense of estoppel. You're welcome to try this. How about making a version of GCC with a

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: So what was your point, Hyman? You posted the link to sec-104-report-vol-1.pdf in what appeared to be a claim that being shipped DVDs and downloading copies was equivalent as far as subsequent redistribution. I demonstrated that the same document regards these as

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: a more expansive view would say that the copyright holders were forced to abandon their suit after reading the handwriting on the wall. And what evidence do you have for this claim? The evidence for my claim is that the actual manufacturer makes the source available,

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
ZnU wrote: I form two corporations... This works fine, as long as the copyright holders can't prove that the two companies are just a sham created to violate their rights. If they're really separate, it's OK. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: I personally believe that even if a particular instance of object code is judged to include protected expression of both/either source code's copyright owner and/or compiler's copyright owner, the resulting binary is merely an

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alan Mackenzie wrote: That is, indeed, the best answer. ;-) Actually, it's not the GPL's mere aggregation, which means putting multiple independent programs on the same media for shipping. But it is an aggregation and not a derived work. ___

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Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: That is, indeed, the best answer. ;-) Actually, it's not the GPL's mere aggregation, which means putting multiple independent programs on the same media for shipping.

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Hyman, Alan believes . Hah! Some while ago, on this newsgroup, Alexander Terekhov said he was a troll. Have a nice day Alan! _ _

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!

2009-02-05 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: I still don't get your point, Hyman. If you wish to make a copy of GPLed code and convey it, you must abide by the restrictions of the GPL, including when you make such a copy by downloading it. Note that the Copyright Act doesn't define a