Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack writes: >> But you haven't given a good reason why the FSF, when drafting a >> license to be used globally, should make it US-specific. >You have won Rahul!!! >You have totally stumped me. I can't give a good reason for a global >FSF license -- the idea of a globally enforceable copyrigh

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread David Kastrup
"amicus_curious" writes: > "Andrew Halliwell" wrote in message > news:gkt066-8q6@ponder.sky.com... > >> If they don't agree with the GPL and refuse to accept its terms they >> have no right to distribute, and as they're not distributing the >> source that means they are in violation from the

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: "Rjack" wrote in message news:o72dnc9jvzlosrdunz2dnuvz_szin...@giganews.com... What are the legal differences in a) downloading directly to a DVD and/or b) downloading to the hard drive and then copying to a DVD. Please quote all relevant legislation in any jurisdiction

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack writes: I live in a U.S. jurisdiction... I will continue to legally interpret the GPL under US copyright law... You provided a good explanation of why, if you were writing a license, you might use US-specific language. But you haven't given a good reason why the FSF

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack writes: >I live in a U.S. jurisdiction... >I will continue to legally interpret the GPL under US copyright law... You provided a good explanation of why, if you were writing a license, you might use US-specific language. But you haven't given a good reason why the FSF, when drafting a lic

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread amicus_curious
"Andrew Halliwell" wrote in message news:gkt066-8q6@ponder.sky.com... Hyman Rosen wrote: ZnU wrote: I form two corporations... This works fine, as long as the copyright holders can't prove that the two companies are just a sham created to violate their rights. If they're really separa

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread amicus_curious
"Rjack" wrote in message news:o72dnc9jvzlosrdunz2dnuvz_szin...@giganews.com... What are the legal differences in a) downloading directly to a DVD and/or b) downloading to the hard drive and then copying to a DVD. Please quote all relevant legislation in any jurisdiction.. Your question i

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack writes: Since we are discussing software that will be propagated worldwide, it makes no sense to make its license specific to any one country. OK, Rahul -- you win -- write your license in Esperanto. Clever reductio ad absurdum argument. Funny too. But it's based

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Andrew Halliwell
Hyman Rosen wrote: > ZnU wrote: >> I form two corporations... > > This works fine, as long as the copyright holders can't > prove that the two companies are just a sham created to > violate their rights. If they're really separate, it's OK. Not for the second company it isn't. They're violating

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack writes: >> Since we are discussing software that will be propagated >> worldwide, it makes no sense to make its license specific to any >> one country. >OK, Rahul -- you win -- write your license in Esperanto. Clever reductio ad absurdum argument. Funny too. But it's based on two flawed

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack writes: But this doesn't explain why you seem to think that the license should use US-specific language. One tactic of trolling is to endlessly ask "why" questions especially concerning other's motivations. Perhaps you should simply state your reasons "why" I shoul

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rjack
Doug Mentohl wrote: amicus_curious wrote: .. The issue at bar is the harm to the copyright holder and if he is willing to accept the result of one mechanism, i.e. the redistribution of the downloaded and authorized copy, there can be no harm found to be associated with some other mechanism

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack writes: >> But this doesn't explain why you seem to think that the license >> should use US-specific language. >One tactic of trolling is to endlessly ask "why" questions >especially concerning other's motivations. Perhaps you should simply >state your reasons "why" I shouldn't prefer US

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack writes: Some might think it wise to use terms not specific to US law for software that will get worldwide propagation. Please explain why you seem to disagree. Attempting to use a license for worldwide "propagation" (presumably for one vast World Socialist Order)

Re: Artifex v. Diebold: "The GPL is non-commercial!"

2009-02-07 Thread Doug Mentohl
amicus_curious wrote: .. The issue at bar is the harm to the copyright holder and if he is willing to accept the result of one mechanism, i.e. the redistribution of the downloaded and authorized copy, there can be no harm found to be associated with some other mechanism that results in exac

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 "Updated License Exception"

2009-02-07 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> The only other components in the executable will be "boilerplate" > No. Those components may include entire implementations of things > like formatting floating point numbers into strings, trigonometric > functions, calendar functions, and so forth.

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 "Updated License Exception"

2009-02-07 Thread Alan Mackenzie
John Hasler wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: >> You're saying, I think, that this "boilerplate" code gives the >> boilerplate's writer some degree of copyright in the executable program. >> I'm not at all convinced o this. Certainly, the world doesn't seem to >> work this way in practice, in that

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 "Updated License Exception"

2009-02-07 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen wrote: > Rjack wrote: >> The an original creative arrangement of materials in a compilation >> makes it eligible for copyright. > "Compilation" meaning the output produced by the computerized > programming language translator known as a "compiler". Which > should have been obvious fro