Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/10/2010 6:17 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: One *SINGLE* (consisting of a separate unique whole) project is not a joint work although it produces a (single) (combined) larger program??? Correct. A joint work is created only when all of its authors agree and intend to do so. Otherwise, as

Re: [News] SFLC Responds to Copyright Misconceptions, Presents MoglenTalk

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/10/2010 6:36 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: RJack didn't wrote that actiontec.com is verizon.net In this matter, Actiontec is acting as Verizon's agent. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: [News] SFLC Responds to Copyright Misconceptions, Presents MoglenTalk

2010-02-11 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Every lawsuit filed by the SFLC has ended successfully with the defendants coming into compliance with the GPL. I can only imagine how much more could accomplished by competent attorneys! Surely you are not referring to the SFLC's attorneys? THAT'S HERESY HYMAN

Re: [News] SFLC Responds to Copyright Misconceptions, Presents MoglenTalk

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 11:36 AM, RJack wrote: Surely you are not referring to the SFLC's attorneys? THAT'S HERESY HYMAN ` I shouldn't be surprised that irony is lost on you too. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: They are copyrighted so I can't provide the text but you can easily access them at your favorite local law library or purchase them online: I haven't read them yet, but they're available for free:

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: 1) 2007-01-15 - ABA IP Journal Publishes Article by Skye Group Managing Director: The American Bar Association's Intellectual Property Newsletter has published an article by Managing Director Doug Hass entitled The Myth of Copyleft Protection: Reconciling the

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
Sorry, wrong link to the paper. It's http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID966338_code410303.pdf?abstractid=957377rulid=10853909mirid=1 On 2/11/2010 12:03 PM, Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: 1) 2007-01-15 - ABA IP Journal Publishes Article by Skye Group

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: 2) A Gentlemen's Agreement: Assessing the GNU General Public License and its Adaptation to Linux. Chicago-Kent Journal of Intellectual Property, Vol. 6, p. 213, 2007.

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: 1) 2007-01-15 - ABA IP Journal Publishes Article by Skye Group Managing Director: The American Bar Association's Intellectual Property Newsletter has published an article by Managing Director Doug Hass entitled The Myth of Copyleft

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: 2) A Gentlemen's Agreement: Assessing the GNU General Public License and its Adaptation to Linux. Chicago-Kent Journal of Intellectual Property, Vol. 6, p. 213, 2007.

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 1:01 PM, RJack wrote: Your link addresses EC competition law. I have no working knowledge of European law concerning these matters. Yeah, sorry about that - a Google search for the paper turn up that one first. I've posted the correct link elsewhere.

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread RJack
David Kastrup wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: On 2/11/2010 11:26 AM, RJack wrote: 2) A Gentlemen's Agreement: Assessing the GNU General Public License and its Adaptation to Linux. Chicago-Kent Journal of Intellectual Property, Vol. 6, p. 213, 2007.

Re: [News] SFLC Responds to Copyright Misconceptions, Presents MoglenTalk

2010-02-11 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/10/2010 6:36 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: RJack didn't wrote that actiontec.com is verizon.net In this matter, Actiontec is acting as Verizon's agent. Who said to you that Actiontec is Verizon's agent/not acting on its own behalf, stypid Hyman? regards,

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 2:21 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Why didn't Erik Andersen fork the busybox to create his own non-joint version of busybox? As far as I understand, he made changes to BusyBox to produce a new version. Fork would imply that he was making a version separate from one undergoing

Re: [News] SFLC Responds to Copyright Misconceptions, Presents MoglenTalk

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 2:30 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Who said to you that Actiontec is Verizon's agent/not acting on its own behalf The fact that Verizon web pages point to Actiontec web sites and use Actiontec addresses, as you yourself showed. ___

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] They do not. They post contributions to GPL-licensed programs, and the GPL is the only documentation of their intent. If the GPL intended to create a joint work it would say so, and since it does not, no joint Uh retard Hyman. A joint work can be created without any

Re: [News] SFLC Responds to Copyright Misconceptions, Presents MoglenTalk

2010-02-11 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 2:30 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Who said to you that Actiontec is Verizon's agent/not acting on its own behalf The fact that Verizon web pages point to Actiontec web sites and use Actiontec addresses, as you yourself showed. Take your meds Hyman.

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 3:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: The GPL seeks to deny creators of contributions forming derivative work their copyright ownership in the sense that contributors are purportedly impeded to license their copyright as they see fit and should use the GPL and only the GPL instead.

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread chrisv
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 3:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: The GPL seeks to deny creators of contributions forming derivative work their copyright ownership in the sense that contributors are purportedly impeded to license their copyright as they see fit and should use the GPL and

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 4:01 PM, chrisv wrote: Man, you have the patience of a saint It's not precisely patience. As I have said before, I find these exchanges entertaining. It's rather sad, actually :-) More seriously, it's also educational to a get a layman's glimpse of what it must be like being a

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread RJack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 2:37 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A joint work can be created without any license at all. But when there is a license, the presumption is that the license states the terms. Take your meds Hyman. The GPL states the terms of

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 4:37 PM, RJack wrote: We are not speaking about the intent of the developers concerning the GPL and all third parties (meaning the general public -- remember General Public License?) but the relationship among the *developers* themselves. The GPL is irrelevant to the intent among

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread RJack
chrisv wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 3:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: The GPL seeks to deny creators of contributions forming derivative work their copyright ownership in the sense that contributors are purportedly impeded to license their copyright as they see fit and should use

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/11/2010 4:53 PM, RJack wrote: If the original authors accept a developer's code to be integrated into the BusyBox project they show their intent to include that new contributor as a joint author. No, that's completely wrong. The new developers prepare work distributed under the GPL,

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/11/2010 4:53 PM, RJack wrote: If the original authors accept a developer's code to be integrated into the BusyBox project they show their intent to include that new contributor as a joint author. No, that's completely wrong. The new developers prepare work

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2010-02-11, Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Snit wrote: Hyman Rosen stated in post b4zcn.76921$je2.9...@newsfe09.iad on 2/11/10 12:42 PM: On 2/11/2010 2:37 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A joint work can be created without any license at all. But when there is a

Re: Bye - Bye , open source derivative works litigation

2010-02-11 Thread amicus_curious
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:m9%cn.53092$np1.1...@newsfe19.iad... On 2/11/2010 4:53 PM, RJack wrote: If the original authors accept a developer's code to be integrated into the BusyBox project they show their intent to include that new contributor as a joint author.