Ruben Safir, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 16:30:40 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 06:39:52PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Alfred M. Szmidt, le jeu. 20 f??vr. 2020 12:32:16 -0500, a ecrit:
> > >> > Our concern is that at some point GNU may be just completely
> > > unknown
> > >> >
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 02:45:02PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > On the flip side, an argument is made that your initiative might make GNU
> > more exclusionary because of the extra conditions on what it takes to be a
> > part of it.
>
> At some point you have to exclude some people in order
I'm not saying that GNU will necessarily stop growing and decline. What
I'm afraid is that it might just become insignificant compared to
others, and thus its voice for the 4 freedoms become less and less
heard.
I think everyone would agree that we do not want the four freedoms to
Alfred M. Szmidt, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 12:32:16 -0500, a ecrit:
>> > Our concern is that at some point GNU may be just completely unknown
>> > to free software enthousiasts. As in, when you'd ask people what free
>> > software is about, they would answer "ah, yes, the stuff on github,
Alfred M. Szmidt, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 12:32:15 -0500, a ecrit:
> I would suggest everyone to read the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines
> as for how we wish to communicate within the GNU project. Calling
> people names, be it calling them toxic or any other name is unkind
> even if one might
> > Our concern is that at some point GNU may be just completely unknown
> > to free software enthousiasts. As in, when you'd ask people what free
> > software is about, they would answer "ah, yes, the stuff on github,
> > right".
>
> Okay, sure. But going back to Eli's point,
I would suggest everyone to read the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines
as for how we wish to communicate within the GNU project. Calling
people names, be it calling them toxic or any other name is unkind
even if one might think it is justified..
That seems to be the ground of what some people
Dmitry Gutov, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 15:31:17 +0200, a ecrit:
> On 20.02.2020 14:41, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Okay, sure. But going back to Eli's point, the development activity of
> > > individual projects is determined by individual project's members, and is
> > > rarely affected by the
Dmitry Gutov, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 12:26:38 +0200, a ecrit:
> On 20.02.2020 10:55, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Our concern is that at some point GNU may be just completely unknown
> > to free software enthousiasts. As in, when you'd ask people what free
> > software is about, they would answer
>As a GNU user, you may not know it but GNU maintainers do not currently
>agree to uphold the free software values that we care about; they merely
>agree to more specific GNU policies.
>
> It is intentional, since the GNU project doesn't want to exclude
> anyone from
Dmitry Gutov, le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 10:43:47 +0200, a ecrit:
> On 20.02.2020 6:08, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > There are a lot of projects that are free software but not GNU. If
> > people choose to work on those projects instead of GNU, GNU loses, even
> > if free software wins.
>
> Well, this is
The intent of gnu-misc-discuss is for serious discussions, these type
of emails do not engage in that. As you already have a place to send
these type of messages, please do so there instead of here.
Hi Ludo,
On Thu, 2020-02-20 at 14:43 +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> I, co-maintainer of GNU Guix, GNU Guile, the GNU Shepherd, and
> GNU Guile-RPC, and a contributor to other GNU packages, endorse
> version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at:
>
>
Hello,
I, co-maintainer of GNU Guix, GNU Guile, the GNU Shepherd, and
GNU Guile-RPC, and a contributor to other GNU packages, endorse
version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at:
https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract
This endorsement means that I believe in the values stated in
On 20.02.2020 15:12, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
As I see it, the point of the Social Contract you’re referring to is a
commitment to work hand in hand with our natural allies. These could be
projects that build software the GNU system or GNU applications rely on,
or it could be projects fighting
On 20.02.2020 14:41, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Okay, sure. But going back to Eli's point, the development activity of
individual projects is determined by individual project's members, and is
rarely affected by the actions of the leadership.
The activity by itself, yes, but the choice of where
Hi,
Dmitry Gutov skribis:
> I figured your "collaborates with the broader free software community"
> item was about how non-GNU free software are a "good thing" still
> (e.g. LLVM has the right to exist, and we should interface with it
> properly as well), but apparently not.
As I see it, the
On 20.02.2020 10:55, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I believe you are misinterpreting his words.
One reason for that is I'm trying to find some technical goals you guys
have , thinking back to older discussions.
Our concern is that at some point GNU may be just completely unknown
to free software
On 20.02.2020 11:47, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
I think it’s important for GNU hackers as a group to be able to reflect
on the project’s procedures and discuss whether/how to improve them.
So what GNU hackers who disagree with you lot on this or other subjects
are supposed to do?
I don't see
Hi Alfred,
a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) skribis:
>As a GNU user, you may not know it but GNU maintainers do not currently
>agree to uphold the free software values that we care about; they merely
>agree to more specific GNU policies.
>
> It is intentional, since the GNU project
On 20.02.2020 6:08, DJ Delorie wrote:
There are a lot of projects that are free software but not GNU. If
people choose to work on those projects instead of GNU, GNU loses, even
if free software wins.
Well, this is disappointing.
I figured your "collaborates with the broader free software
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