Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-09 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
, and do understand the value of his strong underlying philosophy.) On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Ilya Shlyakhter <ilya_...@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:19:29PM -0500, Ilya Shlyakhter wrote: >> [..], so the FSF's caricature >> of non-free software authors'

Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-09 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:19:29PM -0500, Ilya Shlyakhter wrote: > [..], so the FSF's caricature > of non-free software authors' motivations (“I want to get rich > (usually described inaccurately as ‘making a living’)") hardly > applies. "Of the many things

Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-09 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
"We aren't preventing anyone from using non-free software" -- not physically wresting it out of anyone's hands, sure; but by deliberately refusing to mention beOrg in the Org mode manual, which is the only place most users go to learn Org, we certainly are preventing most users from considering

Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-09 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
But don't you want users to choose free software consciously, having considered your arguments that non-free software is "unethical and immoral", and actively agreed with them? If users end up using free software simply by happenstance, because you prevented them from finding non-free software,

Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-09 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
"the alternative that you found technically superior to another is the nonfree one, and you expect that a user would most likely decide to choose it rather than free one, when presented with all arguments, am I right?" -- I expect that _some_ users will, yes. Which, in my understanding, will be

Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-08 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
heir judgement? On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ilya Shlyakhter <ilya_...@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > The only reason I see stated is "Proprietary software is a social and > ethical problem, and our aim is to put an end to that problem." What > I don't see explained is why hiding pr

Re: referencing non-free software

2018-01-08 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
themselves. Shouldn't the FSF be similarly altruistically concerned about the users, and respectful of their judgement? On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Ian Kelling <i...@fsf.org> wrote: > > Ilya Shlyakhter <ilya_...@alum.mit.edu> writes: > >> FSF guidelines discourage r

referencing non-free software

2018-01-08 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
FSF guidelines discourage referencing non-free software: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/References.html#References I see some problems with this, and think it'd be better if the standards addressed these questions head-on. To me, this prohibition looks like simple protectionism.