Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
We are legitimate members of the project, and we have legitimate demands. Let’s work together on shaping this new GNU! You've yet enumerated those demands, instead you've been continouly attacking the GNU project and its decision making process, by excluding those whom you do not agree

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus "social contract" or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andreas Enge, 06/11/19 11:33: If you start by equating two unrelated concepts, nothing useful can come out of a discussion. I don't know about equating, but there is a clear connection. When you establish some rules with some sanctions, and a process to enforce them, this process needs to be

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-11 Thread Andreas
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 18:52 +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > The dynamics I’ve observed over the last decade is that people who’d > like GNU to be more welcoming, more transparent, and/or community- > run, > would eventually give up and silently leave.  I’ve seen brilliant > people > leave, and

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Florian, Florian Weimer skribis: > You are very, very wrong. We are trying very hard to stay within GNU, > but the feedback we have received so far on GNU mail lists suggests > that we are not wanted here. There is a part of GNU that includes myself that really wants you (you personally,

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-06 Thread Ruben Safir
On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 08:25:18PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Jean Louis: > > > Can you see that it is discouraging and not welcoming contributions? > > > > Do you understand that mentioning various GNU projects causes > > contributors in those GNU projects not contribute if they find > >

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You are very, very wrong. We are trying very hard to stay within GNU, but the feedback we have received so far on GNU mail lists suggests that we are not wanted here. That is clearly not true, you're most welcome, and your work is more than needed, the more people write free software or

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jean Louis: > Can you see that it is discouraging and not welcoming contributions? > > Do you understand that mentioning various GNU projects causes > contributors in those GNU projects not contribute if they find > fallacies in your public shamings statement? > > As a signer of public shaming,

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-06 Thread Jean Louis
* Andreas Enge [2019-11-06 10:34]: > Hello, > > starting with the subject of your message, it conflates two completely > unrelated concepts: a social contract, which is a mission statement and > statement of the general principles of an organisation, as well with respect > to the inner workings

GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus "social contract" or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-06 Thread Jean Louis
If we would all consider the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines, there would be few of raised emotions and flames. Yet it is not easy to do so. After the review of: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html I can tell that I do share these thoughts, while in same time I find it