Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-02-19 Thread Carlo Wood
The author of this mail belongs the following group: - Ludovic Courtès - Andreas Enge - Carlos O’Donell - Mark Wielaard - Andy Wingo They are the ones behind the gnu.tools domain, which is not affiliated with the GNU project, but do constantly use the phrase "The GNU Project" in a

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-02-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Dear FSF, In response to your call for input regarding the future of the FSF/GNU relationship, Mark Wielaard posted proposals back in December on behalf of several GNU maintainers: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-12/msg00026.html To date, we have not received any

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-08 Thread Jean Louis
* Thompson, David [2020-01-07 15:55]: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:33 AM Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > > > While I don't speak for or on behalf of the GNU project, I do > > understand the current structure well enough such that I can speak > > about it. As has been backed up by several people that

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-07 Thread Thompson, David
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:33 AM Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > While I don't speak for or on behalf of the GNU project, I do > understand the current structure well enough such that I can speak > about it. As has been backed up by several people that do speak on > behalf of the GNU project. > > As

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-07 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 27/12/19 10:30 pm, Jean Louis wrote: > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: >> As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU >> with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, >> promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-06 Thread Jean Louis
* Mark Wielaard [2020-01-03 13:59]: > Hi Jean, > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 06:00:00PM +0100, Jean Louis wrote: > > So when you say "as volunteers we are happy" -- which volunteers did > > you ask to represent their views here? Did they give you consent for > > such? What are their names exactly?

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
While I don't speak for or on behalf of the GNU project, I do understand the current structure well enough such that I can speak about it. As has been backed up by several people that do speak on behalf of the GNU project. As such I can speak with far better authority about the GNU project than

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-06 Thread Andy Wingo
Please refrain from reposting the same arguments over and over again on this list, you've made them before already. Please also stop pretending that you speak on the behalf of the GNU project and GNU maintainers.

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* Andrej Shadura [2020-01-02 17:31]: > On 27/12/2019 10:39, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU > > with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, > > promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 21:48]: > Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit: > > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers, > > > > Who is "we" in particular? > > You can count me in. > > > If you are

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-03 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Jean, On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 06:00:00PM +0100, Jean Louis wrote: > So when you say "as volunteers we are happy" -- which volunteers did > you ask to represent their views here? Did they give you consent for > such? What are their names exactly? Is that anywhere recorded? > > > To that end

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-02 Thread Thompson, David
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 3:48 PM Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit: > > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers, > > > > Who is "we" in particular? > > You can count me in. I'm not

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 21:47:50 +0100, a ecrit: > Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit: > > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers, > > > > Who is "we" in particular? > > You can count me in.

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jean Louis, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 21:55:13 +0100, a ecrit: > * Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 21:48]: > > Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit: > > > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > > > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers, > > > > > > Who is

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-02 Thread Samuel Thibault
Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit: > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers, > > Who is "we" in particular? You can count me in. > If you are generalizing, those statements are nothing > but empty

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-02 Thread Jean Louis
* Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU > with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, > promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note > that the FSF is looking for feedback on

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-02 Thread Andrej Shadura
On 27/12/2019 10:39, Mark Wielaard wrote: > As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU > with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, > promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note > that the FSF is looking for feedback

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2019-12-27 Thread DJ Delorie
[original mailing lists added back in; your mails make replying difficult as they do not include the mailing list address] nylxs writes: > On 12/27/19 4:39 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: >> As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU >> with services like fiscal

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2019-12-27 Thread nylxs
On 12/27/19 4:39 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU > with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, > promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note > that the FSF is looking for feedback

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2019-12-27 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Please refrain from reposting the same arguments over and over again on this list, you've made them before already. Please also stop pretending that you speak on the behalf of the GNU project and GNU maintainers.

Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2019-12-27 Thread Mark Wielaard
As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note that the FSF is looking for feedback on this relationship going forward: