Re: GPL 3 and patents question

2006-02-01 Thread Alan Mackenzie
this License may add an explicit geographical distribution limitation excluding those countries, so that distribution is permitted only in or among countries not thus excluded. In such case, this License incorporates the limitation as if written in the body of this License. [ ] -- Alan

Re: GPL and other licences

2006-02-09 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:59:54 +0100: Alan Mackenzie wrote: That is true. However, when you take two short stories, commingle paragraphs from one of them with paragraphs from the other, connecting them up with sentences of your own to give a new

Re: Commercial code is better: Cedega VS Wine

2006-03-09 Thread Alan Mackenzie
. For the price of one year of Redhat service you could buy Windows 2003 Server which is supported for 7 years. For some value of supported, and some value of 7 years. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like aa), remove half

Re: Commercial code is better: Cedega VS Wine

2006-03-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
of the message is entirely consistent with RMS's view. The form of expression is also that of RMS, or at least a good forgery. I don't know who the poster of the article, [EMAIL PROTECTED], is though. And I'm Tony Blair. Not something I'd admit to, if I were you. ;-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany

Re: Commercial code is better: Cedega VS Wine

2006-03-22 Thread Alan Mackenzie
David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:05:44 +0100: Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lin√łnut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:54:01 -0600: After takin' a swig o' grog, [EMAIL PROTECTED] belched out this bit o' wisdom: (I am posting this on behalf

Re: Hey Terekhov: Wallace lost. Who'd guess.... ;)

2006-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
of a computer program. [ ] alexander -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like aa), remove half of them (leaving, say, a). ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Hey Terekhov: Wallace lost. Who'd guess.... ;)

2006-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
erred. alexander. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like aa), remove half of them (leaving, say, a). ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: what is the current status of GPL v3

2006-05-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
and choose from. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like aa), remove half of them (leaving, say, a). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: what is the current status of GPL v3

2006-05-18 Thread Alan Mackenzie
that the GPL talks about - lots of independent programs packaged together on a single CD or a single FTP site. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like aa), remove half of them (leaving, say

Re: what is the current status of GPL v3

2006-05-19 Thread Alan Mackenzie
just one big party? Or are we going to go the Groucho Marx route? In this licence, the party of the third part shall be known as the party of the third part; Hey, don't like this bit either. .. David Kastrup -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever

Re: GPL libraries and linking

2006-05-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
to make sense of his idiotic literary work is horrifying. Actually, RMS's technical writing is perhaps the clearest, best organised and most efficient on the whole planet. regards, alexander. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
the GPL, it will also be licensed dually to use both the GPL and Freedom License. Fine. Big yawn. What are you trying to say? -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like aa), remove half of them (leaving, say

Re: GPL libraries and linking

2006-05-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 21:07:34 +0200: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 16:46:18 +0200: 1. http://kororaa.org/index.php?entry=entry060521-200059 Stallman should be sued for damages to the global

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 22:53:49 +0200: Joerg Schilling wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22 May 2006 16:49:50 -0700: What is wrong with this? Commands like make have

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23 May 2006 22:22:09 GMT: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23 May 2006 19:14:34 GMT: GNU make has many bugs that prevent GNU make from being POSIX compliant. OK. Some

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-03 Thread Alan Mackenzie
of context. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-03 Thread Alan Mackenzie
with eachother, and to get them to sound at the same time, at the right relative intensities. That doesn't make it deserving of copyright status. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-03 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote: On 2009-02-03, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss 7 website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: Wrong fool! No, I think you might actually be the right one. As I write the assembler code for how

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
will be contained, somehow, in that more subtle machine code. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
not consider it as me lending my expertise as a native English speaker? :-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Note that the copyright of executable files is invariably held to be held by those who have copyright of the source files, not those who wrote the compiler. An interesting aside is that the source and executable forms of a computer

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
an aggregation of multiple computer program works -- in GNUspeak it is called mere aggregation. Do you agree, Hyman? Yes. That is, indeed, the best answer. ;-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Hyman, Alan believes . Hah! Some while ago, on this newsgroup, Alexander Terekhov said he was a troll. Have a nice day Alan

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] Anyhow, yes I agree that mere aggregation means what you just wrote. The critical thing being NOTHING MORE than an aggregation. If two pieces of code are linked together, this linking is a good deal more than aggregation

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: An example of a mere aggregation is two books bound together in a single spine. However, if two authors were to cooperate to produce a single book, this would not be a mere aggretation - it would be a tightly integrated whole - just

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
of a mere aggregation is two books bound together in a single spine. However, if two authors were to cooperate to produce a single book, this would not be a mere aggretation - it would be a tightly integrated whole - just like a single binary resulting from a compilation process. -- Alan Mackenzie

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] Anyhow, yes I agree that mere aggregation means what you just wrote. The critical thing being NOTHING MORE than an aggregation. If two pieces of code are linked together, this linking is a good deal more than aggregation

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: If I write foo.c and compile it to foo.o, I don't think there are pieces there. I then link it with a few other files and it becomes the executable foo. The only bits in there which aren't my copyright are analogues of the book's

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-07 Thread Alan Mackenzie
John Hasler j...@dhh.gt.org wrote: Alan Mackenzie writes: You're saying, I think, that this boilerplate code gives the boilerplate's writer some degree of copyright in the executable program. I'm not at all convinced o this. Certainly, the world doesn't seem to work this way in practice

Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception

2009-02-07 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: The only other components in the executable will be boilerplate No. Those components may include entire implementations of things like formatting floating point numbers into strings, trigonometric functions, calendar functions, and so

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
from scratch, or instead to modify a BSD licensed original. Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuernberg). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
applicable 'to all'. I think that's know as a pedantic inexactitude. ;-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
always mean what it seems to to the legally inexperienced. It seems overwhelmingly likely that you are simply mistaken. Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Section 5 of the GPL is legal nonsense. I think you may have mentioned this before, once or twice. The GPL was formulated by experienced lawyers, with good

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] The GPL was formulated by experienced lawyers, with good understanding of copyright and contract law. Do bear in mind that the law doesn't always mean what it seems to to the legally inexperienced

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
somebody has been sued for infringement of the GPL (whichever version), and the resolution of the legal process has allowed him to continue infringing the GPL? Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] Tell me, have there been any cases where somebody has been sued for infringement of the GPL (whichever version), and the resolution of the legal process has allowed him to continue infringing the GPL

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] Is RMS a socialist? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/12/cuba_does_linux/ - Cuba has launched its own Linux variant, dubbed Nova. The Nova project has been cooking away for the past year

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] Tell me, have there been any cases where somebody has been sued for infringement of the GPL (whichever version

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] I was assuming you'd have already checked it, and would want to save others on the newsgroup, including me, from needless work. Have you checked it, Alex? Does the download offered on that page

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
'ten Tag, Peter! In gnu.misc.discuss Peter K?hlmann peter.koehlm...@arcor.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: snip But then, you're familiar with the details. Is there any evidence in this case that this dismissal has allowed the defendant (Verizon) to continue infringing the GPL? Read

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alex! In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] I was assuming you'd have already checked it, and would want to save others on the newsgroup, including me, from needless work. Have you checked it, Alex? Does the download offered

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] He knows just too well that Verizon is actually in compliance now, and for that reason can distribute the binaries. Yes, I've kind of gathered that. Verizon. Is. Not. In. Complience. Got it now

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alex! In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Take off your blinders, Alan. http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp (from the complaint) -- 11. Upon information and belief, Verizon distributes to its customers

Re: Revisionist Open Source

2009-02-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
recently contributed to Emacs. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-20 Thread Alan Mackenzie
amount of financial consideration paid to the plaintiffs by Actiontec. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-20 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Would you format your paragraphs properly in future, please? In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: So they [SFLC] didn't suddenly become aware of anything at all. They just became suddenly aware

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-20 Thread Alan Mackenzie
are not onerous or difficult to understand, at least not for most people. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GCC and copyright registration

2009-02-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Since apparently we are not talking about either of those specific situations, it is hard to see what your problem is. I don't think it's at all hard to see what RJack's problem is. -- Alan Mackenzie

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
likely to want the source of the version embedded in their Actiontec box. For example, to diagnose a problem, or to complain about its out-of-dateness, or to check it for security problems. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gnmr45$1qm...@colin2.muc.de... Would you format your paragraphs properly in future, please? In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: So they [SFLC] didn't suddenly become

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
, or Oracle, or some other major software maker? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
of that software. It isn't like anything was hidden. Exactly. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gnrq0u$8t...@colin2.muc.de... It seems to me, you're in favour of ignoring the GPL's conditions, yet are in favour of conforming to the conditions of proprietary licenses. Why? As I

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
for the packages they install. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gnujma$19h...@colin2.muc.de... Well, thanks, and all that, yet again! I'm happy for people to learn about my code, and modify it. I would NOT be happy about somebody starting off from

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gnv0cu$28j...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gnujma$19h...@colin2.muc.de... Speaking

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:go0t2l$12p...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:gnv0cu$28j...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss

Re: Copyright Misuse Doctrine in Apple v. Psystar

2009-02-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:35:17 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: They sell a comprehensive solution that is dependent on their hardware, just like Actiontec sells a router as a comprehensive functional device. No, actually, OS/X isn't

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
, they might fix their legal setup. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/04/1615250 -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Roy! In gnu.misc.discuss Roy Schestowitz newsgro...@schestowitz.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 / Alan Mackenzie on Thursday 05 March 2009 16:35 : \ Just as an aside, wouldn't it be a smart move for high tech companies to avoid doing business in Eastern

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
is a standard Usenet abbreviation for I am not a lawyer. It's been around for donkey's years, HTH :-). -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
, not the name you give it. Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Doug Mentohl wrote: Rjack wrote: For the past seventy years no federal court has ever ruled a copyright license to be anything other than a contract. Who cares

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] All sounds rather parochial to me. There are a great deal more than merely fifty different systems of law under which the GPL operates. Yeah, such as Er, this one for example: http://www.jbb.de

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] All sounds rather parochial to me. There are a great deal more than merely fifty different systems of law

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] http://www.jbb.de/urteil_lg_frankfurt_gpl.pdf Not really convincing example, Alan. No, I suppose not. An actual court, with an actual judge, ruling explicitly that the GPL is valid

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...] if he wants to use invalid contractual terms, he bears the risk of their use. It would violate equity and good faith if he were allowed to sue others merely on the grounds that his license terms

Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy

2009-03-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Miss M. Monroe on a blanket - it's a motivating fantasy, which everyone knows will remain fantasy, but useful none the less. The purpose of the GPL is propagate free software. It has been very successful at doing that. Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
absolutely no consequences for being willing to defend themselves and winning. And, let's be honest, the losing party shouldn't have to face bankruptcy either. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Can anybody explain to me why a typical simple court case in the developed world takes 18 months to resolve and costs the loser one, or even several years' earnings? Because doing the research needed to properly

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes: In gnu.misc.discuss Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com wrote: It'd stop a lot of fishing for out of court settlements if the accused was no longer terrified of being bankrupted for being found

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
:) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: The aggrieved householder submits a complaint, in ordinary English Sigh. You just haven't got a clue. Perhaps not. Do you have any legal training? You're like all those hopelessly naive people who think

Re: Red Hat on patent FUD

2009-03-22 Thread Alan Mackenzie
more the idea of a large government fund paying out taxpayers' money to privileged people. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Red Hat on patent FUD

2009-03-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Ezekiel z...@somewhere.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:29:38 +, Alan Mackenzie it was written: In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: ml2mst ml2mstrem...@capsgmail.com wrote in message news:gq2fsa$ap...@news.albasani.net... You are wrong

Re: Eric Raymond: We don't need the GPL

2009-03-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
software is about more than the market. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPg2M1qbEs -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
not a contractual license, since there are no contractual negotiations or handshakes involved. By your statement, are you trying to show that the GPL isn't really a copyright license, or are you making a historical assertion, that this was the motivation of the original license designers? -- Alan

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: That's a very strange statement. The GPL is not so designed; it is designed to waive

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Through being a highly educated native English speaker. I looked it up in a dictionary, too. Contract (noun) means agreement (when it doesn't mean get smaller, or the like). I suspect that the GPL isn't a contract

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxmorex.usenet.us.com wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes, following up to Rjack: How can there be a contract when there's been no agreement between the parties involved? Rjack already lost this argument under a different subject heading

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-25 Thread Alan Mackenzie
. No it's acceptance of the GPL, again at normal speed. Now what are you trying to say? regards, alexander. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
out, and not to rise to the baiting of these people who keep raising the topic (and who, I admit, are masters at it). Rui -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack, Therekov, amicus something, and all those trolls will NEVER see this or that. Their sole purpose is to make people loose

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack, Therekov, amicus something, and all those trolls will NEVER see

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: sigh Please think about the dictum don't be a dick. Please also get out a bit, socialise with people other than RMS and go for a reality check on what GNU is. Sigh... Now you

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Good Morning, RJack! Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Please also get out a bit, socialise with people other than RMS and go for a reality check on what GNU is. I

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
, and the GPL goes to considerable lengths to ensure that nobody is relegated to the status of an end user, except by choice. The GPL is a license for distributing and changing software, not for using it. -Thufir -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
it as *your* argument since is certainly not *my* argument. It seems to be *your* argument, sustained by your own interpretation of some judges' decisions, that licensing code under the GPL is tantamount to making it public domain. Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: It[the GPL]'s just as much a contract as any other EULA. The GPL isn't a EULA, except perhaps the tiny part of it that says you may run this program

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: The logical conclusion

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Where do you see the difference, in practice, between software being in the public domain, and software being licensed under the GPL, understood as you understand it? Code in the public domain doesn't have ownership

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Alan Mackenzie
injustice. Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
consistency holds in law. So put your argument up on a web site, and leave some room here for people to talk about something interesting. Sincerely, Rjack :) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
idea in a post. And if you ask him a reasonable pertinent question which he can't answer, he responds with abuse instead. His notion is pure sophistry. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:57:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: These posts of yours are unreadable, RJ. They go on and on and on obsessively, yet they are none of them complete and coherent. Your whining continues

Re: NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 15 April 2009 NYLUG: Jon Stanley on Rolling Your Own Linux With Fedora

2009-04-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
configure your software to display posts in an easily readable fashion (whatever that means for you), and if you can't do this, start using some decent software with which you can. What are you using, by the way? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany

Re: NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 15 April 2009 NYLUG: Jon Stanley on Rolling Your Own Linux With Fedora

2009-04-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:51:47 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: One last thing, when are you guys going to format these messages so

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-04-30 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:45:12 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote: It seems Matt has long misunderstood the GPL. Like 99 percent of people who through some unfortunate process come in contact with it. I wouldn't know

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-04-30 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Matt Assay of C-Net fame and one of cyberworld's *biggest* supporters of the GPL is bailing out like he's Arlen Specter's campaign manager: Oh, you have a wonderful

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