Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

2020-02-23 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Ludovic Courtès > Cc: Mark Wielaard , gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 22:04:36 +0100 > > > I always thought that maintaining a GNU project according to the > > guidelines I was communicated when I was appointed _is_ upholding GNU > > values, that it's all there is in

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

2020-02-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Ludovic Courtès > Cc: m...@klomp.org, gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:34:32 +0100 > > > That's just the tip of a very large iceberg. I know it, you know it, > > and every GNU maintainer knows it. When we get appointed, we receive > > a 1000-word message from RMS

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

2020-02-28 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Mark Wielaard > Cc: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 14:48:58 +0100 > > those mostly describe the what, not the why. The GNU Social Contract > describes the core goals, the why we do GNU. "Core goals" and "why we do it" are not the same. The latter might be personal

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

2020-02-21 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Ludovic Courtès > Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org, > christo...@poncy.fr > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:02:34 +0100 > > > I don't see the opposing viewpoints reflected in your documentation > > anywhere. You have formed a subgroup, discussed your views in private, > > and

Re: The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic governance tool

2020-02-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Mark Wielaard > Cc: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:40:00 +0100 > > To work on the GNU project you do not need to endorse it. But > those who do are promising to uphold its values while working on GNU. I don't understand the practical implications of the last

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] State of the GNUnion 2020

2020-02-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:09:47 +0100 > From: Andreas Enge > Cc: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > > Well, you are of course entitled to that opinion, but I am naturally of the > opposite one. Why "naturally"? Can you be convinced that your opinion is wrong? (If not, this seems to be a kind of

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

2020-02-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: DJ Delorie > Cc: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:10:49 -0500 > > a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > That speaks more to the fact that the GNU project leadership has no > > impact on project adaptation, or contributor activity. But rather it > > is a

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

2020-02-22 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: DJ Delorie > Cc: a...@gnu.org, gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 10:34:31 -0500 > > > The guiding principles of what it takes to be a maintainer of a GNU > > project are communicated to each one of us when he or she is > > appointed. Those principles have very important

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

2020-02-18 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Andy Wingo > Cc: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:37:55 +0100 > > I agree also! This sort of activity is natural in a project that > engages in self-reflection. If a project has leadership, then naturally > leadership would be conducting the exercise. Do you

Re: State of the GNUnion 2020

2020-02-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: DJ Delorie > Cc: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:00:51 -0500 > > a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > You make the incorrect assumption that the health of the GNU project > > should be measured in how many new projects are adopted or released -- > > instead of

Re: A summary of some open discussions

2020-01-14 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:38:13 +0530 > > On 14/01/20 6:50 am, nylxs wrote: > > So you guys should get together an create your own organization > > > > The last time a major fork happened in the GNU world was with egcs. A > little reading will give an indication

Re: A summary of some open discussions

2020-01-10 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Brandon Invergo > Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:28:02 + > > > Linus gives a lot of delegation. In the end he is the last merge point, > > but he completely trusts direct subtree maintainers, who can work the > > way they wish. > > As does Richard. He largely only retains responsibility