Not relevant here - Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Jean Louis]

* Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro  [2020-04-11 07:38]:
> Hi,
> 
> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
> "Carlos O'Donell"  writes:
> 
> > https://wiki.gnu.tools
> 
> A problem I see with this domain name is that for many people it may
> reinforce the incorrect idea that GNU is essentially a collection of
> tools.  If at all possible, “gnu.os” would have been better.

Best place to discuss how they should call their domain is with them,
by writing to them, and not by using this mailing list, as this
mailing list is not relevant for their non-GNU website, regardless if
they call it "GNU.tools".

I have domain "gnu.support" and I explicitly say on each page: "We are
not endorsed by GNU or Free Software Foundation. We just love GNU and
FSF!"

I do not discuss issues of my website on this mailing list.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro]

Hi,

<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
"Carlos O'Donell"  writes:

> https://wiki.gnu.tools

A problem I see with this domain name is that for many people it may
reinforce the incorrect idea that GNU is essentially a collection of
tools.  If at all possible, “gnu.os” would have been better.

-- 
Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro (oitofelix) [0x28D618AF]

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[John Darrington]

If you objtained your list of adresses from the maintainers file on fp, then
that was inappropriate.   When maintainers give us that information, we 
promise it won't be used in that way.

All new maintainers are automatically subscribed to the internal 
mailing lists unless they ask not to be.   So all maintainers who
wish to be contacted on matters like this can be through those lists.

J'

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:46:43AM +0100, Ludovic Court??s wrote:
> Hi Alfred,
> 
> a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) skribis:
> 
> > You are misusing the trust given by the GNU project by harvesting
> > member information and using it for non-GNU purposes.  Nobody gave you
> > the right to use that information, in any shape or form.
> 
> We didn???t harvest anything.  I think it???s reasonable for GNU maintainers
> get in touch one another, and that???s unfortunately the only to do that
> reliably AFAIK.
> 
> > The social contract you suggest has also been rejected, simply because
> > we do not nor will we require members to accept such a document when
> > they become GNU maintainers or volunteers.
> 
> The email we sent invites all GNU maintainers to weigh in to get to a
> version of the social contract that we could all identify with.
> 
> It???s about building a shared understanding of what it is we???re aiming
> for as a project.  To me, that can only be beneficial to the project and
> its cohesion.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ludo???.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

   We didn’t harvest anything.  I think it’s reasonable for GNU maintainers
   get in touch one another, and that’s unfortunately the only to do that
   reliably AFAIK.

No, the accepted method is the internal lists.  You are under no right
to use the private information of GNU maintainers.

   It’s about building a shared understanding of what it is we’re aiming
   for as a project.  To me, that can only be beneficial to the project and
   its cohesion.

Feel free to join in the already ongoing conversations then, your
efforts are not part of the GNU project though.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Jean Louis]

* Andreas R.  [2020-01-29 07:01]:
> "This Code of Conduct applies within all community spaces, and also 
> applies when an individual is officially representing the community 
> in public spaces. Examples of representing our community include 
> using an official e-mail address, posting via an official social 
> media account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online 
> or offline event.
> 
> Is this mentioned community GNU?

That is full misrepresentation of GNU project, false pretenses, it is
illegal act in France, and USA and other countries. The Wiki have been
placed there without the consent of GNU leader.

Reference:
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/misrepresentation

If any of GNU maintainers resign from GNU project, the leaders of the
splitter group shall be legally followed by attorneys.

If we look at definitions, that cannot be "innocent" representations,
as they have been warned that it is not official.

Let's call it by name, it is fraudulent representation of GNU project.

Jean

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Ruben Safir]

On 1/29/20 1:54 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> The social contract you suggest has also been rejected, simply because
> we do not nor will we require members to accept such a document when
> they become GNU maintainers or volunteers.


This is going into a ban.  There is no other way around it.  These folk
now smell blood in the water and acting accordingly, and undermining the
main mission.  The focus now needs to be to find replacement maintainers
ASAP and removing privileges.

If you have a better solution to this, I am all ears.

The wiki is a straight power grab, and it is not the first time that
this group has tried to absconder with the GNU trademark.  The GUIX
maintainer did this just recently trying to rename his little project GNU.

Ruben

-- 
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
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Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Ruben Safir]

On 1/29/20 5:46 AM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> It’s about building a shared understanding of what it is we’re aiming
> for as a project.  To me, that can only be beneficial to the project and
> its cohesion.


Tghere is no need for that.  The purpose of GNU is outlined by the
founder, Richard Stallman.  It is not open to negotiation...



-- 
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com

Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi Alfred,

a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) skribis:

> You are misusing the trust given by the GNU project by harvesting
> member information and using it for non-GNU purposes.  Nobody gave you
> the right to use that information, in any shape or form.

We didn’t harvest anything.  I think it’s reasonable for GNU maintainers
get in touch one another, and that’s unfortunately the only to do that
reliably AFAIK.

> The social contract you suggest has also been rejected, simply because
> we do not nor will we require members to accept such a document when
> they become GNU maintainers or volunteers.

The email we sent invites all GNU maintainers to weigh in to get to a
version of the social contract that we could all identify with.

It’s about building a shared understanding of what it is we’re aiming
for as a project.  To me, that can only be beneficial to the project and
its cohesion.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

   I understand your concern, but consider this: we are a group of GNU
   maintainers setting up a service for use by GNU maintainers to work on
   GNU.  In that sense, I think it’s fair to say we’re not misusing the 
name.

You are misusing the trust given by the GNU project by harvesting
member information and using it for non-GNU purposes.  Nobody gave you
the right to use that information, in any shape or form.

   I think this should eventually become wiki.gnu.org or meta.gnu.org
   because that’s where it belongs.  It hasn’t been possible yet (we asked
   GNU sysadmins and the FSF), but I’m sure we’ll get there.

The idea of a GNU wiki has been already rejected.

The social contract you suggest has also been rejected, simply because
we do not nor will we require members to accept such a document when
they become GNU maintainers or volunteers.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Andreas R.]

Hi Ludo,

> > Since it's obviously not an official GNU wiki would it be possible to 
> > change 
> > references of "the wiki for GNU Maintainers" to "a wiki for GNU maintainers"
> > and add a notice to that effect?
> >
> > Also, using the GNU logo is needlessly confusing. Those maintainers 
> > visiting 
> > already know what the wiki is for, and the general public might
> > mistake it for being endorsed by the GNU project.
> 
> I understand your concern, but consider this: we are a group of GNU
> maintainers setting up a service for use by GNU maintainers to work on
> GNU.  


But GNU, by policy, doesn't have a wiki. Furthermore, GNU maintainers working
on policies of GNU, as a whole project, is what is being discussed, but there
are no definitive answers or solutions yet. It's easy to interpret the
creation of a GNU wiki outside of GNU and then use that wiki to develop
policy as not being interested in having a dialogue and making progress
within GNU and simply doing what you please.

As things are, the wiki isn't being used to work on GNU, but to work on
GNU policy outside of the scope of the GNU project because it's not
inclusive of all GNU maintainers.

>In that sense, I think it’s fair to say we’re not misusing the name.

I have no objection to calling it a wiki for GNU maintainers, because
that's what you are, and that's what it is.

But, as things are, it might be interpreted as if is speaks for a community, 
which by optics alone would indicate the GNU community, which makes paragraphs
such as the following very worrying:

"This Code of Conduct applies within all community spaces, and also 
applies when an individual is officially representing the community 
in public spaces. Examples of representing our community include 
using an official e-mail address, posting via an official social 
media account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online 
or offline event.

Is this mentioned community GNU?

Are the e-mail addresses mentioned @gnu.org addresses or @gnu.tools 
addresses?

The code of conduct was adapted from "Contributor Covenant", which 
by itself was not adopted by GNU because of its overly punitive nature.

Has there emerged a stringent need for more punishment, or why did
gnu.tools adopt a third party code of conduct over GNU's own Kind 
Communications Guidelines?

Like I said: the branding is needlessly confusing.

regard,
Andreas R.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[nylxs]

On 1/28/20 3:31 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> I understand your concern, but consider this: we are a group of GNU
> maintainers setting up a service for use by GNU maintainers to work on
> GNU.  In that sense, I think it’s fair to say we’re not misusing the name.

It is an unauthorized use of the trademark of GNU.  You can not hide
behind this gibberish and claim that what you did is not an open threat
to the organization.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Jean Louis]

* Ruben Safir  [2020-01-28 20:30]:
> On 1/28/20 1:03 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > Namecheap, and likely most domain services, automatically block all
> > personal information by default.  Protecting users' privacy is in line
> > with GNU standards.  Attempting to expose people's hidden private
> > information is not.
> 
> Nonsense -  In fact, regulations require the identification of the
> registrant.

Yes, they require, but today many domain registrars automatically hide
the information about the domain holder. You may always contact the
domain holder by using the proxy contact information. It really does
not matter.

> Attempting to violate the GNU Trademark, however now maybe you
> should look into that.

GNU was never about protecting any trademarks, that is really not
logical step to do, RMS would never do that, I don't believe in
that. If it would be violation of GNU GPL license, there would be
different strategic approach, and not harsh legal action. 

Jean

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi Andreas,

"Andreas R."  skribis:

>> we have created a new wiki for use by GNU Maintainers.
>>
>>https://wiki.gnu.tools
>
> Since it's obviously not an official GNU wiki would it be possible to change 
> references of "the wiki for GNU Maintainers" to "a wiki for GNU maintainers"
> and add a notice to that effect?
>
> Also, using the GNU logo is needlessly confusing. Those maintainers visiting 
> already know what the wiki is for, and the general public might
> mistake it for being endorsed by the GNU project.

I understand your concern, but consider this: we are a group of GNU
maintainers setting up a service for use by GNU maintainers to work on
GNU.  In that sense, I think it’s fair to say we’re not misusing the name.

I think this should eventually become wiki.gnu.org or meta.gnu.org
because that’s where it belongs.  It hasn’t been possible yet (we asked
GNU sysadmins and the FSF), but I’m sure we’ll get there.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Jean Louis, le mar. 28 janv. 2020 20:15:36 +0100, a ecrit:
> your negative energy and animosity in the group where you are in.

I don't see negative energy and animosity here.  I however see a lot of
negative energy and animosity in the people who are arguing against the
proposals discussed here.

> Again -- you do what you wish to do, but don't you have something
> better to do in life?

Really, stop such purely rhetorical approaches.

> At least some people find themselves girlfriends, boyfriends, [...]

This, for one, is a very borderline comment.

> Again -- I am inviting you to look into other valuable activities that
> may contribute to pleasure and joy in life. Something constructive.

Helping the GNU project to be more welcoming definitely is something
constructive.

Samuel

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Jean Louis]

* Ruben Safir  [2020-01-28 18:57]:
> On 1/28/20 10:55 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> > Myself and several other GNU Maintainers have been publicly discussing
> > a GNU Social contract on gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org and what it means to
> > be a GNU Project volunteer.
> > 
> > We are continuing that discussion by reaching out (by email) to all
> > GNU Maintainers. We look forward to your feedback! Please have a look
> > at the email you get since it has some important dates.
> > 
> > To assist in this discussion we have created a new wiki for use by GNU
> > Maintainers.
> > 
> > https://wiki.gnu.tools
> > 
> > The wiki is designed to meet the needs of GNU Maintainers who have
> > asked for a wiki.  Given the feedback it is git based with markdown
> > support, and is an actively maintained wiki that is free software with
> > good internationalization.
> > 
> > Thank you for your support in making a positive change in the GNU Project.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Carlos.
> 
> 
> This is just a further indication of a need to ban folks and maintain
> control of the GNU project,  The time has come.  Circumventing the GNU
> governance is not "a positive change".  It is an open rebelion against
> the GNU leadership and its mission.

That is it.

Rebelion is fine, people shall be free to express themselves, but when
somebody is totally in disagreement with one group or goals of the
group, then why not make one's own?!

It is unbelievable, as so many GNU distributions are out there, people
initiated them themselves when they got idea they have the freedom.

Yet some people are directly wanting to destroy the original GNU
project. I say, unbelievable.

-- 
Thanks,
Jean Louis

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Werner Koch]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:55, Carlos O'Donell said:

> The wiki is designed to meet the needs of GNU Maintainers who have
> asked for a wiki.  Given the feedback it is git based with markdown
> support, and is an actively maintained wiki that is free software with

Thank you for setting up a useful tool for us.  Although I would have
prefered org-mode markup, having a straightforward wiki is what really
counts.  And no long discussions on the why, how, and who.


Salam-Shalom,

   Werner

-- 
Die Gedanken sind frei.  Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz.


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Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Jean Louis]

* Carlos O'Donell  [2020-01-28 16:56]:
> Myself and several other GNU Maintainers have been publicly discussing
> a GNU Social contract on gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org and what it means to
> be a GNU Project volunteer.

> We are continuing that discussion by reaching out (by email) to all
> GNU Maintainers. We look forward to your feedback! Please have a look
> at the email you get since it has some important dates.

What you are doing, in practical, you wish to destroy the GNU project
by diverting attention of helpers, assistants, maintainers to your
negative energy and animosity in the group where you are in. I am
sorry for you.

I do think, you should make your own group or do something else,
please don't attack GNU, anyway it is useless. I can feel your envy
and your hatred. I do think you have better things to do in life, then
destroying the GNU project apart.

> To assist in this discussion we have created a new wiki for use by GNU
> Maintainers.
> 
> https://wiki.gnu.tools

I see that as bad and naive attempt to destroy the agreements that GNU
maintainers have with the GNU project. Just because you can register
domain, it does not mean anything. You are practically inviting people
in GNU project to split from GNU project. Obviously that is not
endorsed by GNU project, and is not part of GNU project. You should
not misrepresent the GNU project. 

Again -- you do what you wish to do, but don't you have something
better to do in life?

At least some people find themselves girlfriends, boyfriends, they get
busy, some others are programming, some are writing books, even
walking, hiking can be pleasant activity, making food, there is
plethora of valuable activities.

I do have gnu.support domain and it is for support to people
installing GNU software, and it states there explicitly that it is not
part of GNU project, and not endorsed -- and I am providing links to
all of the FSF endorsed free operating system distributions and to
some other official GNU links.

> The wiki is designed to meet the needs of GNU Maintainers who have
> asked for a wiki.  Given the feedback it is git based with markdown
> support, and is an actively maintained wiki that is free software with
> good internationalization.
> 
> Thank you for your support in making a positive change in the GNU
> Project.

Sorry Carlos, your contributions are welcome. I am sorry for you and
your feelings, and I do not know how you got into this and why are you
in that position to want to split the GNU project, but I am somehow
not believing that anybody from GNU project made you suffer, or that
you can blame anybody in GNU project for your personal drama.

Again -- I am inviting you to look into other valuable activities that
may contribute to pleasure and joy in life. Something constructive.

-- 
Thanks,
Jean Louis

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Andreas R.]

> we have created a new wiki for use by GNU Maintainers.
>
>https://wiki.gnu.tools

Since it's obviously not an official GNU wiki would it be possible to change 
references of "the wiki for GNU Maintainers" to "a wiki for GNU maintainers"
and add a notice to that effect?

Also, using the GNU logo is needlessly confusing. Those maintainers visiting 
already know what the wiki is for, and the general public might
mistake it for being endorsed by the GNU project.

Andreas R.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[DJ Delorie]

Namecheap, and likely most domain services, automatically block all
personal information by default.  Protecting users' privacy is in line
with GNU standards.  Attempting to expose people's hidden private
information is not.

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Ruben Safir]

On 1/28/20 1:03 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> Namecheap, and likely most domain services, automatically block all
> personal information by default.  Protecting users' privacy is in line
> with GNU standards.  Attempting to expose people's hidden private
> information is not.



Nonsense -  In fact, regulations require the identification of the
registrant.



Attempting to violate the GNU Trademark, however now maybe you
should look into that.


-- 
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com

Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Ruben Safir]

On 1/28/20 10:55 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> Myself and several other GNU Maintainers have been publicly discussing
> a GNU Social contract on gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org and what it means to
> be a GNU Project volunteer.
> 
> We are continuing that discussion by reaching out (by email) to all
> GNU Maintainers. We look forward to your feedback! Please have a look
> at the email you get since it has some important dates.
> 
> To assist in this discussion we have created a new wiki for use by GNU
> Maintainers.
> 
> https://wiki.gnu.tools
> 
> The wiki is designed to meet the needs of GNU Maintainers who have
> asked for a wiki.  Given the feedback it is git based with markdown
> support, and is an actively maintained wiki that is free software with
> good internationalization.
> 
> Thank you for your support in making a positive change in the GNU Project.
> 
> Cheers,
> Carlos.


This is just a further indication of a need to ban folks and maintain
control of the GNU project,  The time has come.  Circumventing the GNU
governance is not "a positive change".  It is an open rebelion against
the GNU leadership and its mission.

Furthermore you are in violation of the GNU trademark.

And check out this whois record, you have to love this:


[ruben@flatbush ~]$ whois gnu.tools
Domain Name: gnu.tools

Registry Domain ID: bf0a5fc6d7d74f46ba23c9716f4838d9-DONUTS

Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com

Registrar URL: https://www.namecheap.com/

Updated Date: 2019-09-09T14:47:05Z

Creation Date: 2018-09-19T14:56:24Z

Registry Expiry Date: 2020-09-19T14:56:24Z

Registrar: NameCheap, Inc.

Registrar IANA ID: 1068

Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ab...@namecheap.com

Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6613102107

Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY


Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY


Registrant Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.


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Registrant State/Province: Panama


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Registrant Country: PA


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Registrant Email: Please query the RDDS service of the Registrar of
Record identified in this output for in
 formation on how to contact the Registrant, Admin, or
Tech contact of the queried domain name.

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identified in this output for informa
   tion on how to contact the Registrant, Admin, or Tech
contact of the queried domain name.

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Tech Email: Please query the RDDS service of the Registrar of Record
identified in this output for information on how to contact the
Registrant, Admin, or Tech contact of the queried domain name.
Name Server: dns1.registrar-servers.com
Name Server: dns2.registrar-servers.com
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form:
https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2020-01-28T17:08:21Z <<<


That is an open process if there was ever one.




-- 
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com

Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013

Re: Feedback on the GNU Social contract and new wiki.gnu.tools.

[Alfred M. Szmidt]

   Myself and several other GNU Maintainers have been publicly discussing
   a GNU Social contract on gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org and what it means to
   be a GNU Project volunteer.

For anyone wishing to partake in such discussion, that are offical,
one should do so on gnu-prog-discuss.  There is a drafted documented
by RMS about the structure of the GNU project.  This document of yours
does not represent the GNU project in anyway.

   We are continuing that discussion by reaching out (by email) to all
   GNU Maintainers. We look forward to your feedback! Please have a look
   at the email you get since it has some important dates.

Sorry, I only gave the GNU project and the FSF access to those
details.  What you have done is a violation that trust by trying to
use private information that is the privy of the FSF for your own
personal gain.