Re: police report against the petition mob
Debian Community News Team wrote: [...] Looking at the headers of your message, we see that you sent it on 29 March and the gnu.org (FSF) mailing list only delivered it on 2 April (headers copied below). This shows that somebody in FSF is now checking the messages one by one. No, it shows that the messages got stuck in a queue somewhere for several days. The FSF/GNU infrastructure is fairly complex and the FSF sysadmins (mostly volunteers as I understand) are stretched thin. (Evidence: the general utility login server is running a major release that went out of support a few months ago and has not yet been updated.) The chances of messages getting stuck in a queue due to a temporary failure and going unnoticed until finally being delivered after an automated retry a few days later (as is common in mail systems -- email does *not* promise instant delivery) are fairly high. If anything, I would expect censors to act quickly to hide their own existence, not to sit on a message for four days, *then* pass it through. [...] This censorship looks like pure evil. We do not consent to this type of censorship. It is a type of fraud. They do this without our consent, so it is like rape. They stole the F from FSF. As of yet, censorship is not proven. All of these events could be the results of technical failures at a very inopportune time. (Of course, according to Finangle's Law, failures *always* happen at the least opportune time.) Received: from localhost ([::1]:33632 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSNjG-00039r-7P for team@debian.community; Fri, 02 Apr 2021 13:37:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <936-846-2...@kylheku.com>) id 1lQtFQ-0004as-3R for gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:52:08 -0400 -- Jacob
Re: police report against the petition mob
Daniel Pocock wrote: On 29/03/2021 12:59, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 29/03/2021 02:49, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote: Daniel Pocock wrote: : host eggs.gnu.org[209.51.188.92] said: 550 bad domain - email sysad...@fsf.org for details (in reply to RCPT TO command) : host eggs.gnu.org[209.51.188.92] said: 550 bad domain - email sysad...@fsf.org for details (in reply to RCPT TO command) Those messages say "bad domain" ... either someone has very specifically rigged the mail server to specifically reject your email with a bogus error, or there was a very unfortunately timed configuration error that caused a GNU MX to be unaware that gnu.org exists. Considering that the former would require specially modified code, while the latter could be the result of an innocent typo in a configuration file, I would suspect the latter to be more likely. Evidence that this only affected you would, of course, change that view. Did sysad...@fsf.org reply when asked about this? If it is deliberate, I suspected it might be a personal insult against my name We see these people being so harsh on RMS but then they play these games with other people It first started on Sunday. As a developer and a volunteer, If I choose to volunteer some of my Sunday to support Free Software, I don't see why I should lose that time engaging with people who use insults and coercion. [...] More observations: - your reply didn't appear in the list archives, or it was removed https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2021-03/threads.html It is worth noting that *nothing* after March 28 appears in that archive; this is consistent with a general failure of the FSF email system. - sysad...@fsf.org is also bouncing so we just have to CC for now: : host mail.fsf.org[2001:470:142::13] said: 550 bad domain - email sysad...@fsf.org for details (in reply to RCPT TO command) This is also consistent with a general failure of the FSF MX node. (I would not be surprised at all if eggs.gnu.org and mail.fsf.org are the same machine.) A control message sent to the GNU bug tracker did go through, but debbugs.gnu.org is its own MX. All that said, other mailing list archives do seem to have been collecting messages; we shall see if this message appears in the archive. -- Jacob
Re: police report against the petition mob
* Daniel Pocock [2021-03-29 13:59]: > If the roles were reversed, if de Blanc was a male harassing a female > boss, past or present, there would already be a restraining order. The > police handle such cases in the same manner as domestic violence. But > because de Blanc is female, she seems to have a get-out-of-jail-free card. > > There is now a video on the site too > > https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-arrest-and-prosecution-for-cyberbullying/ You have posted a video without context, it is a cut sentence that is not related to cyber-bullying, I do not see so. Again -- I do not see how accusations of Molly de Blanc support the purposes of THIS mailing list. We are not supposed to accuse each other on GNU mailing list. Best is to keep it outside of GNU discussion place. Yes, it is miscellanous, but this type of conflicts are not meant to be here. If Molly has some conflict she can take it up with RMS directly. If you have conflict with Molly, did you try to take it up with Molly directly? I think that this mailing list is related to GNU operating system and miscellanous issues, but Molly de Blanc does not belong here. RMS does not read this list too, I don't think he will read, he is not interested. Molly probably does not read, who knows. So what is the point of accusing each other on a mailing list that is not communicating to anybody but other people? I think the only purpose can be to make somebody bad. You have got your website, you can keep doing what you wish, but the mailing list is not for that. Jean
Re: police report against the petition mob
On 2021-03-28 17:49, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote: Daniel Pocock wrote: : host eggs.gnu.org[209.51.188.92] said: 550 bad domain - email sysad...@fsf.org for details (in reply to RCPT TO command) : host eggs.gnu.org[209.51.188.92] said: 550 bad domain - email sysad...@fsf.org for details (in reply to RCPT TO command) Those messages say "bad domain" ... either someone has very specifically rigged the mail server to specifically reject your email with a bogus error, or there was a very unfortunately timed configuration error that caused a GNU MX to be unaware that gnu.org exists. Considering that the former would require specially modified code, while the latter could be the result of an innocent typo in a configuration file, I would suspect the latter to be more likely. Can we tell from that diagnostic which domain is the "bad domain"; To be confident, I would need inside information: what the mail exchanger is and how it is configured. It is in response to a "RCPT TO" command, but that doesn't mean it pertains only to the content of that command. A mail exchanger can collect both the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands, and then subject the SMTP connection to numerous checks that include validating the sender's domain (given in MAIL FROM).
Re: police report against the petition mob
Jean Louis wrote: > > Calling for the arrest of someone whose speech you do not agree with, > > even if you consider it libelous, is wrong. > Mike, did you send that same message also to the other side? I had similar thoughts when reading the comment by Mr. Mike Gerwitz. It is one thing to disagree with something someone says. It is quite another to demand punishment for something someone never said.
Re: police report against the petition mob
* Mike Gerwitz [2021-03-28 07:31]: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 00:53:45 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > If you feel the same pain watching the attacks on RMS that you felt > > watching the mob at the US Capitol then you are a witness to a crime. > > > > https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-arrest-and-prosecution-for-cyberbullying/ > > Calling for the arrest of someone whose speech you do not agree with, > even if you consider it libelous, is wrong. Mike, did you send that same message also to the other side? Do you know more about that conflict and what was done or what can be done to solve the conflict? Why don't you initiate as assistant there, a meeting of Molly de Blanc and RMS, I somehow think they could solve those issues by speaking. Maybe something good comes out of it. Jean P.S. Otherwise, if nobody initiated mediation between parties in conflict, at least one of those parties, in this case Molly de Blanc is inititating hate propaganda campaign, cyber-bullying by law (not mentioned as in relation libel) -- and that is creating more and more conflict. You will have to bear it. There will be more created unless conflict is solved. I think you can help on solving it.
Re: police report against the petition mob
On 3/27/21 8:47 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > Calling for the arrest of someone whose speech you do not agree with, > even if you consider it libelous, is wrong harassment is a crime and not protected speech
Re: police report against the petition mob
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 00:53:45 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > If you feel the same pain watching the attacks on RMS that you felt > watching the mob at the US Capitol then you are a witness to a crime. > > https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-arrest-and-prosecution-for-cyberbullying/ Calling for the arrest of someone whose speech you do not agree with, even if you consider it libelous, is wrong. -- Mike Gerwitz signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: police report against the petition mob
On 27/03/2021 01:05, DJ Delorie wrote: > > There's a huge difference between an armed insurrection at a political > capital, and people expressing their opinions calmly in writing > (regardless of what those opinions are, or how much you sensationalize > them). Choosing such highly "emotionally charged" words when making > such unfair comparisons only adds fuel to the fire. > > Please use kinder words. > > (and I mean this for people on both sides of this conversation) > It is not about the presence of weapons The issue here is about the polarization, asking people to take sides Asking people to use the force of numbers instead of developing leadership If people want to replace RMS or the leader of any organization or country then the best way to do so is by demonstrating a higher standard of leadership.
Re: police report against the petition mob
There's a huge difference between an armed insurrection at a political capital, and people expressing their opinions calmly in writing (regardless of what those opinions are, or how much you sensationalize them). Choosing such highly "emotionally charged" words when making such unfair comparisons only adds fuel to the fire. Please use kinder words. (and I mean this for people on both sides of this conversation)
