Re: A replacement for Info

2012-12-03 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() Patrice Dumas pertu...@gnu.org () Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:33:29 +0100 I think that additional information that wouldn't be in the XML would deserve a distinct section in the IXIN file. Yes. Towards that end, IXIN 1.2 specifies the ‘meta’ section now:

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-11-29 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() Patrice Dumas pertu...@gnu.org () Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:04:47 +0200 We mustn't forget the all-important ‘@paragraphindent’ [froth froth] !!! I have been waiting a long time for that to be runtime-tweakable... That is to be found in the tree, as it affects all the Texinfo coming

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-15 Thread Richard Stallman
Would you like to work with a few others to design a format that extends Texinfo SXML and would be adequate for the job of fast display of manuals in Emacs? Sure, but isn't that what we're already in the process of doing? :-D If people have already started doing this,

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi! Thien-Thi Nguyen t...@gnuvola.org skribis: It would be cool if Texinfo were able to produce SXML, a format directly translatable to/from XML, directly. Honestly, with Guile 2, translating from XML to SXML boils down to calling ‘xml-sxml’, which is easy enough. If the XML backend didn’t

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) () Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:48:17 +0200 It would be cool if Texinfo were able to produce SXML, a format directly translatable to/from XML, directly. Honestly, with Guile 2, translating from XML to SXML boils down to calling ‘xml-sxml’, which is easy

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Would you like to work with a few others to design a format that extends Texinfo SXML and would be adequate for the job of fast display of manuals in Emacs? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org () Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:16:43 -0400 Would you like to work with a few others to design a format that extends Texinfo SXML and would be adequate for the job of fast display of manuals in Emacs? Sure, but isn't that what we're already in the process of

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Nala Ginrut
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 00:33 +0200, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: () Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org () Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:51:20 -0400 Perhaps people resist XML, no matter its viability, because it is ugly. Karl's talking about using it as an output format, not to write by hand. Yes,

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-14 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35:14PM +0200, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: between the source and target vertices. A better explanation is at: (info (elisp) Circular Objects) Ok. That said, we want to be nice to programs that have only basic ‘read’ capabilities, and should plan to support

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) () Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:37:10 GMT These days, as I keep repeating to no apparent effect another viable -- as far as I can see, the best -- approach is use the Texinfo XML output as your input. Perhaps people resist XML, no matter its viability,

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:37:10AM +, Karl Berry wrote: What about just Texinfo, or Texinfo-as-sexps? If it works, why not? Stefan, would this work? These days, as I keep repeating to no apparent effect, another viable -- as far as I can see, the best -- approach is use the

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
I am not Stefan, but in my view, this would be a horrible step backward. I don't know about back/forward, but the reason I think it wouldn't be right is because it would force the Elisp renderer to build the indices and things like that. The representation we need should have all such global

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Richard Stallman
These days, as I keep repeating to no apparent effect another viable -- as far as I can see, the best -- approach is use the Texinfo XML output as your input. Perhaps people resist XML, no matter its viability, because it is ugly. Karl's talking about using it as an

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Richard Stallman
rms, years ago, you wrote something like this (it's been in the Texinfo manual for ages): If you are a programmer and would like to contribute to the GNU project by implementing additional output formats for Texinfo, that would be excellent. But please do not write a

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 04:51:51PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: We're talking about having Emacs read Texinfo format, not converting it to some other format. But that's the part that is hard to do the same way in every parsers. The conversion is not problematic, it may be different for

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
() Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org () Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:51:20 -0400 Perhaps people resist XML, no matter its viability, because it is ugly. Karl's talking about using it as an output format, not to write by hand. Yes, i understand. Anyway, one program(mer)'s output is another's

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-13 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:33:58AM +0200, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: I think so. However, as mentioned in another post, whatever format we choose should support indexing and incremental loading (similar to the way Emacs keeps track of and displays docstrings). With that in mind, i realize

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-12 Thread Richard Stallman
Would you like to help design a specific format, based on HTML, that we could use to implement the Info features that browsers don't have? What about just Texinfo, or Texinfo-as-sexps? If it works, why not? Stefan, would this work? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free

Re: A replacement for Info

2012-08-12 Thread Karl Berry
What about just Texinfo, or Texinfo-as-sexps? If it works, why not? Stefan, would this work? (I don't believe either Stefan nor Chong is on this list, so I cc them. Stefan, Chong, this is a continuation of the gnu-prog-discuss thread.) I am not Stefan, but in my view, this would be