Re: CloudFlare, not good choice, (Re: [security-discuss] Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist)

2017-03-23 Thread Jean Louis
So much about security on CloudFlare: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/5vu3yn/cloudbleed_seceurity_bug_cloudflare_reverse/ and https://github.com/pirate/sites-using-cloudflare Jean

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-11 Thread Brandon Invergo
On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 06:18 +0500, Anonymous wrote: > Your use of the word "apply" here is equivocal (a logical fallacy). On Fri, 2017-03-03 at 19:06 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > We've seen heavy use of logical fallacy from you (false > analogy, position statements with no attempt at supporting

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-11 Thread Nomen Nescio
Mike Gerwitz said: > >> In the early days of GNU, you'd request a physical copy via mail. > > > > That wasn't discriminatory. They didn't say liberals had to go > > through those hoops, while registered republicans could download > > it, for example. > > That's not a proper comparison. It's

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-11 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Please refrain from such language on this list or you will be blocked.

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-10 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Of course it does. It's already been established that "stopping" > someone

Re: CloudFlare, not good choice, (Re: [security-discuss] Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist)

2017-03-10 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We speak of hosting service. It is very realistic to put GNU software > on GNU

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-09 Thread Nomen Nescio
brandon said: > > > This is a bunk argument. If, for example, a server is set up to > > > deny you access to files because you don't have an account and, > > > thus, you cannot download them with wget, the server is not > > > denying freedom 0 to you. > > > > GNU wget is equipped with httppost

CloudFlare, not good choice, (Re: [security-discuss] Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist)

2017-03-09 Thread Jean Louis
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 09:53:00PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Indeed, and we are not required to make it work for everyone. > > You've misunderstood the problem. It's not that GNU Radio Foundation, > Inc. is not taking actions to make something work, it's that GRFI has > taken actions to

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-09 Thread Nomen Nescio
Alfred M. Szmidt said: >That it works on your side, it means not it works on someone's >else side. > > Indeed, and we are not required to make it work for everyone. You've misunderstood the problem. It's not that GNU Radio Foundation, Inc. is not taking actions to make something work,

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-09 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> 2017-03-09 09:49:16 (4.04 MB/s) - ‘gnuradio-3.7.10.1.tar.gz’ saved > [4272430/4272430] That it works on your side, it means not it works on someone's else side. Indeed, and we are not required to make it work for everyone. But as it happens, it does work, so any claims to

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-09 Thread Brandon Invergo
On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 22:53 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > It's in fact that separate issue that has been under discussion here. > To date, there has been no claim or discussion over whether the use of > the GNU Radio application is restricted.  That's not a point of > contention.  GNU Radio

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-09 Thread Jean Louis
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 04:03:34AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >GNU Radio Foundation, Inc. is denying freedom 0 to GNU wget users. >The only GNU Radio users being denied freedom 0 are those who are >also GNU wget users. > > 1) GNU wget users are not being "denied" access to GNU

Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-08 Thread Nomen Nescio
Dr. Stallman said: > It appears we are having a misunderstanding. I can't see anything > here that stops you from running GNU Radio however you wish. > Whatever gnuradio.org does is a separate issue > from using the program GNU Radio itself. It's in fact that separate issue that has been under

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-04 Thread Nomen Nescio
Svetlana Tkachenko said: > > > The software freedom principles apply to software only, not to > > > organisations. > > Principles (of any kind) are only endorsed or condemned by people > > and organizations. An object or data (software) cannot reason > > [...] > That's what authorship is for.

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist

2017-03-04 Thread Nomen Nescio
Dr. Stallman said: > > > You have misunderstood freedom 0. Freedom 0 means the program > > > does not impose limits on how you are allowed to use it. > > > Whether it does what you want in any given situation is > > > another question. > > > You might want to change the language of

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist (was: gnuradio..)

2017-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > You have misunderstood freedom 0. Freedom 0 means the program does > > not

Re: Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist (was: gnuradio..)

2017-03-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The GNU Radio foundation isn't stopping anyone from downloading GNU Radio. scenario 2) GCC is inherently capable of Lisp compilation because all the working machinery for that is already there for whatever reason. But there is a line of code saying "if

Freedom 0: the utilitarian vs. the deontologist (was: gnuradio..)

2017-03-02 Thread Anonymous
Dr. Stallman said: > You have misunderstood freedom 0. Freedom 0 means the program does > not impose limits on how you are allowed to use it. Whether it does > what you want in any given situation is another question. You might want to change the language of freedom 0 to match what you're