Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread D. via gnucash-devel
Christopher, Those are all very good points. I do think that the goals are laudable, and I think Dale's call for further analysis is a good approach. The question of what reconciliation is supposed to be, and what it's supposed to do (beyond the most rudimentary textbook descriptions) are not

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread David Cousens
I was not aware that AQbanking does a reconcile on the fly. I also use OFX, CSV nad very occasionally QIF imports (but not from Quicken) but not that heavily any more. I think it would be useful to have this information about the reconcile marking process documented at least in the importing

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread Christopher Lam
The "purpose" for the "fix" was to allow future features: 1. allow manual reconciliation of an account, using past reconciled_date and relevant past ending_balance. If my "fix" were applied, it would serve *me* very well: (a) If an account, properly reconciled, had an errant split hiding

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread Dale Phurrough via gnucash-devel
Yes JR and DA  Nothing bad or sinister, rather a future opportunity to virtually whiteboard the concepts and events surrounding "reconciliation", then reviewing what gnucash currently does to see the gaps. It's comforting to see that it works for so many scenarios, and the discussion on this was

Re: [GNC-dev] About budgets in 3.8, 3.9 and 3.10

2020-04-10 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I just posted my first result and impression to the bug report, though I’m sure you saw that already. (this is more for the benefit of list readers not following the bug) The signs aren’t making sense, and the amounts aren’t adding up correctly. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 10, 2020 w15d101, at

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Dale, On Fri, April 10, 2020 12:37 pm, John Ralls wrote: > > >> On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Dale Phurrough via gnucash-devel >> wrote: >> >> This feels like a separation of accounting logic -- separate from >> storage >> field -- has broken down. From what you wrote, it seems each of these >>

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread John Ralls
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Dale Phurrough via gnucash-devel > wrote: > > This feels like a separation of accounting logic -- separate from storage > field -- has broken down. From what you wrote, it seems each of these > sources have direct access to core fields without any

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread Dale Phurrough via gnucash-devel
Wow...this mix-match of reconcile date behaviors are good to log somewhere as an design/architecture aberration/bug. Good for discussion on... 1. what *does* the concept of "reconciliation date" mean? 2. does that meaning change with the source of reconciliation/truth (qif, quicken, AQBanking,

Re: [GNC-dev] About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread Christopher Lam
Some further findings. I don't think the "fix" needs to come back. The reconciled_date field is not well defined in code - during manual reconciliation (which I use heavily) it sets reconciled_date to statement_date. - during QIF import from Quicken, it can also set reconcile_status to mirror

Re: [GNC-dev] About budgets in 3.8, 3.9 and 3.10

2020-04-10 Thread Christopher Lam
Next addendum: your existing budget data will behave well when reverse balances=credit accounts, but the *featured* data will be stable with *any* reverse balances global preference option. On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 11:28 am Christopher Lam, wrote: > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 10:20 am Christopher

Re: [GNC-dev] Documentation flow; was: About 3.9 and reconciliation balances

2020-04-10 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Hi David, Am 10.04.20 um 07:36 schrieb David Cousens: > Gunter Kamp > seemed to have a related but slightly different issue associated with > AQbanking. Banks here haven't generally allowed any direct server access > other than downloads from their web portals so i have no familiarity with AQ >