Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-22 Thread Dan Kegel
James LewisMoss wrote: > Bill> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:16AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > >> It would be Real Helpful if you said "GnuCash 1.6 requires Gnome > >> 1.4". Please make at least that change! ... > The README in the source in the "Dependencies" section says Gnome 1.4 > is require

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Dan Kegel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > The chances of, say, Red Hat 7.2 actually getting the right > versions of that many libraries seem pretty slim offhand. > Might be a chance for someone to do a little testing with Rawhide > as it develops, and educate Red Hat about what they still need > to

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-15 Thread Rob Walker
> On 15 Jun 2001 13:17:15 -0400, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: >> Using a .tar.gz file makes it easier for developers/packagers, but >> harder for users. Most people are users. Wearing my "user" hat, I >> want my package management experience to be seamless. Every >> packag

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-15 Thread Rob Walker
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:02:32 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Rob> What about a downloadable .tar.gz file which is all n Megs of Rob> libraries and gnucash and whatnot, and the user is told to "cd ~ Rob> && tar -zxvf ". That would create a ~/gnucash-app Rob> directory.

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-15 Thread Rob Walker
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:02:32 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Bjorn> Using a .tar.gz file makes it easier for developers/packagers, Bjorn> but harder for users. Most people are users. Wearing my Bjorn> "user" hat, I want my package management experience to be Bjorn> s

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-15 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
Rob> What about a downloadable .tar.gz file which is all n Megs of Rob> libraries and gnucash and whatnot, and the user is told to "cd ~ && Rob> tar -zxvf ". That would create a ~/gnucash-app directory... Using a .tar.gz file makes it easier for developers/packagers, but harder for users. Most

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Rob Walker
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:17:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill > Gribble) said: Bill> Gnucash 1.6 requires Gnome 1.4. Bill> Guile 1.3 is fine Bill> I think dave will be uploading a gnucash-1.6.0 RPM that uses Bill> guile-1.4 today, but the old one will stay too. >> I wouldn't mind h

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Bill Gribble
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 04:34:56PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Ok, I'll bite. I've had problems with Gnucash since a few months ago. > And yes, I've reported them. I'm on a fairly-stock Red Hat 6.2. I > don't want to destroy my current installation, which includes Gnome > 1.2 and Guile 1.3. G

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Dave Peticolas
On 13 Jun 2001 22:11:22 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > lwn mentions that GnuCash depends on 60 (!) other libraries. > Is that figure correct? It seems pretty high. I think the 60 number is rather misleading. It is simply the line count of the output of 'ldd' which lists all the shared library files t

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Derek Atkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Gribble) writes: > I'm sorry you've had trouble installing Gnucash. If you could provide > some more information about what sort of system you are using and what > kinds of trouble you have had, perhaps we can make the process less > painful. Have you asked for help with

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Bill Gribble
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > I like GnuCash and have wanted to start using it for over a year. The > biggest reason I haven't done so is exactly the problem Jon points out: > it's unreasonably difficult to get the thing installed and working. I'm sorry you'v

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Alan Orndorff
x a bunch of things by > hand so that I could log in again. The existence and persistence of the > "dependency hell" thread on the gnucash list tells me that I'm not alone. Yes, Ximian Gnome trashing your box is definately related to and is caused by Gnucash and Gnucash alone.

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Bjorn Helgaas
On Thursday 14 June 2001 08:31, Bill Gribble wrote: > ... nor did you make any > attempts through the normal gnucash support channels (such as this > mailing list, which you are not a member of but clearly monitor) to > fix your problem before publishing an article about it. I like GnuCash and ha

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Corbet
t I couldn't get the program to install on three different ones, running three different distributions. Oh, yes, and the Ximian GNOME 1.4 upgrade trashed one of my Mandrake boxes fairly badly, I had to go in and fix a bunch of things by hand so that I could log in again. The existence and persist

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Bill Gribble
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:34:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > That's fewer than 60 packages, of course, but the number of libraries is > correct. Jon, I have a bone to pick with you. As a Gnucash developer, I felt like the LWN article was pretty much a blindside slam. You didn't come to u

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Jonathan Corbet
[gnucash CD] > Too bad http://lwn.net/2001/0614/bigpage.php3 didn't mention this > (although perhaps they're not into covering stuff before > it's released). No, that was just an omission on my part - I had seen that go by, but it got paged out of my mind as deadline approached. I should have m

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-14 Thread Dan Kegel
Bill Gribble wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:00:21AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > > Being a plain-vanilla kind of guy, I might have to wait until Red Hat 7.2 > > to use GnuCash 1.6; not sure I want to let Ximian stomp all over my > > system :-( > > There will be a release of gnucash-1.6 on CD

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Klaus Ridder
> There will be a release of gnucash-1.6 on CD before too long (watch > this space for more news) which will optionally install non-standard > dependencies in a local playground that only gnucash can see. That > way you can run gnucash with up-to-date libraries without stomping on > your system.

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread James LewisMoss
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:19:54 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Gribble) said: Bill> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:16AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: >> It would be Real Helpful if you said "GnuCash 1.6 requires Gnome >> 1.4". Please make at least that change! (Heck, this should have >> been i

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Bill Gribble
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:00:21AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > Being a plain-vanilla kind of guy, I might have to wait until Red Hat 7.2 > to use GnuCash 1.6; not sure I want to let Ximian stomp all over my > system :-( There will be a release of gnucash-1.6 on CD before too long (watch this space

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Dan Kegel
Bill Gribble wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:16AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > > It would be Real Helpful if you said "GnuCash 1.6 requires Gnome 1.4". > > Please make at least that change! (Heck, this should have been > > in the press release!) > > BTW, this *was* in the press release: >

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Dan Kegel
Bill Gribble wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:16AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > > Bill Gribble's reply was basically "Red Hat sucks", which wasn't > > very helpful. > > Actually, I was not replying to your message but to a followup that > called Gnucash's dependencies "assinine" and "pitiful"

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Bill Gribble
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:16AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > It would be Real Helpful if you said "GnuCash 1.6 requires Gnome 1.4". > Please make at least that change! (Heck, this should have been > in the press release!) BTW, this *was* in the press release: > Downloading and Compiling GnuCas

Re: Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Bill Gribble
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 08:56:16AM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > Bill Gribble's reply was basically "Red Hat sucks", which wasn't > very helpful. Actually, I was not replying to your message but to a followup that called Gnucash's dependencies "assinine" and "pitiful" (or was it "pathetic"?) . I did

Dependency hell redux

2001-06-11 Thread Dan Kegel
In May, I posted a message relating problems installing gnucash 1.5.x on a stock Red Hat http://www.gnumatic.com/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2001-May/003557.html Bill Gribble's reply was basically "Red Hat sucks", which wasn't very helpful. Rob Merkel's reply was "Yeah, dependencies are a pain, tha

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-21 Thread Alan Orndorff
> But average users should be using 1.4.X, or are the requirements there > wrong too? (If so, please let us know and we'll fix it.) > this is what I'm using, ymmv gnome-config --version gnome-libs 1.2.0 -- Solaris Resources (Ultra/Intel) http://www.solarisresources.com ___

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-21 Thread Rob Browning
Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The real problem might be that none of the web pages at gnucash.org > (even the download and software requirements pages) mention that > Gnome 1.4 (which has only been out five weeks!) is required for > gnucash-1.5. But gnucash 1.5 is an unstable developm

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-19 Thread Dave Peticolas
On 19 May 2001 09:07:01 +0200, Klaus Ridder wrote: > Some time ago, it also took me quite lonk to install gnucash. > > I guess it would help to the following on the web page: We are working on a web page to help people install. > -1- Download Gnucash and all necessary rpms > Full download of g

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-18 Thread Klaus Ridder
Some time ago, it also took me quite lonk to install gnucash. I guess it would help to the following on the web page: -1- Download Gnucash and all necessary rpms Full download of gnucash and all necessary rpms, if you don't have Gnome installed. Attention: it's a big download! -2- Download Gnuc

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-18 Thread Kevin Finn
Dan Kegel wrote: > > The real problem might be that none of the web pages at > gnucash.org (even the download and software requirements pages) > mention that Gnome 1.4 (which has only been out five weeks!) > is required for gnucash-1.5. > > I am well aware of rpmfind.net, and as an earlier reply

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-18 Thread Stanley Long
See if http://www.suse SuSE 7.1 Professional Distro now includes gnucash ... Dan Kegel wrote: > > Robert Graham Merkel wrote: > > On Thu, 17 May 2001 12:43:51 Dan Kegel wrote: > > > I'd love to help you folks QA this, but I won't be able to > > > unless you provide all the RPM's I need to instal

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-18 Thread Steve Greenland
Not really a gnucash list anymore -- probably should go to debian-devel for future discussion...anyway: On 17-May-01, 16:13 (CDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, that is exactly what I am talking about. However, does it > actually _work_ to do a build of Debian? The last time I tried, using >

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-18 Thread Dan Kegel
Robert Graham Merkel wrote: > On Thu, 17 May 2001 12:43:51 Dan Kegel wrote: > > I'd love to help you folks QA this, but I won't be able to > > unless you provide all the RPM's I need to install on > > Red Hat 7.1 to install yours. There's no way the average > > user should have to hunt them down.

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-18 Thread Alan Orndorff
> > I agree. It is pathetic! Not only are there an > assanine number of > > dependencies,. > > pathetic, adj.: causing or evoking pity, sympathetic > sadness, sorrow, > etc.; pitiful, pitiable. > plus a couple of extras, mainly Guppi which we > provide the RPMs for. > If you can't get th

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread rob
> On Thu, 17 May 2001 20:00:37 +0200, Christian Hammers > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Christian> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:54:01AM -0700, Christian> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> as a debian user, the only thing that I really wish they would >> implement is source-dependancies, so that it

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread Christian Hammers
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:54:01AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > as a debian user, the only thing that I really wish they would > implement is source-dependancies, so that it could all be built > locally. Debian has startet providing "Build-Depends" some month ago! (sorry, didn't followed the

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread rob
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:21:40 +1000, Robert Graham Merkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Robert> As to your complaint about tracking down libraries, I totally Robert> agree with you! That's why I use Debian, which automatically Robert> tracks down and installs dependancies for me . . . as a de

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread Bill Gribble
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:01:04AM -0400, Timothy Reaves wrote: > I agree. It is pathetic! Not only are there an assanine number of > dependencies, but some of the gnome RPM's I donloaded from rpmfind.net > installed is /usr, and some in /opt/gnome, and gnucah can't seem to > handle thi

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread Conrad Canterford
Robert Graham Merkel wrote: > > [root@danq downloads]# rpm -i gnucash-1.5.95-1.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libbonobo-print.so.2 is needed by gnucash-1.5.95-1 > > libbonobo.so.2 is needed by gnucash-1.5.95-1 > > libbonobox.so.2 is needed by gnucash-1.5

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread Robert Graham Merkel
On Thu, 17 May 2001 12:43:51 Dan Kegel wrote: > When I tried a while ago to install gnucash, the dependencies were many. > > I just looked at the RPM for 1.5.95, and the dependencies are now legion. > Voila: > > [root@danq downloads]# rpm -i gnucash-1.5.95-1.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencie

Re: dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread Timothy Reaves
I agree. It is pathetic! Not only are there an assanine number of dependencies, but some of the gnome RPM's I donloaded from rpmfind.net installed is /usr, and some in /opt/gnome, and gnucah can't seem to handle this. It want's them in one place or the other, not both. Dan Kegel

dependency hell

2001-05-17 Thread Dan Kegel
When I tried a while ago to install gnucash, the dependencies were many. I just looked at the RPM for 1.5.95, and the dependencies are now legion. Voila: [root@danq downloads]# rpm -i gnucash-1.5.95-1.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libbonobo-print.so.2 is needed by gnucash-1.5.95