Re: [GNC-dev] OARS classification of gnucash
On 22/08/2019 19:33, Geert Janssens wrote: Op donderdag 22 augustus 2019 19:50:38 CEST schreef John Ralls: On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Geert Janssens wrote: Gnome and Flathub use age rating data to classify applications as appropriate or not for certain groups of users. Both are using the Open Age Rating Service (OARS) [1] for this. I went to the trouble of filling the questionnaire for gnucash and ended up with this rating: mild "social-info" may be a bit odd, but when selecting this option, I was considering the AlphaVantage API key which I presume can/will be used by Alpha Vantage to track the user. I expect other price sources are tracking a lot more than AlphaVantage via F::Q, maybe we should pass the query on to the F::Q team? Does anyone have remarks/issues with this classification ? If so, please share, otherwise I'll use this for the next gnucash release. [1] https://hughsie.github.io/oars/ I don't know that it matters much, I wouldn't really expect a 12 year old to be interested in GnuCash anyway... and besides, 12 year olds know how to get around most age restrictions. Sure, it doesn't matter that much, but the OARS piqued my curiosity. My initial reaction was similar to JohnR's, "what has this got to do with us?" Also you're probably looking for more in it than it really does. It just labels applications. There's no actual restricting going on. Having said that, it is thanks to a system as OARS that users can easily know our application is not riddled with advertisements or trackers. For us that may be obvious. That sounds right. We're so used to this in the open source world. Flathub (or the Ubuntu app store for that matter) however also ships commercial applications, which do have advertisements or language that's not acceptable in all circumstances. Hmmmn, sourceforge.net (which is where many people get their gnc from) isn't exactly ad-free either. If we don't use them will the "owned" servers stand up to demand? I don't think that there's anything tracking related that the Alphavantage API key gets them. They can already get the requesting IP and associate the list of requested prices with it just like all of the other price sources. That's not to say that GnuCash users who use price quotes or online banking aren't exposed to tracking, just that it's not limited to Alphavantage. It's anyway pretty minor compared to web-browser use, so I went looking for Epiphany's age rating and couldn't find one. The age rating is fairly new and still voluntary. So many applications don't do it yet. I think you need to be on the weird side of political beliefs before you think understanding money, double entry accounting and similar stuff should be age-rated. Unless you are the aging leader of an African or Asian despotic state ... or the elected leader of the USA. Further the definition of "Mild" according to the OARS is: "Using any online api" We do use online api's via Finance::Quote so that's why I selected it. How much tracking actually goes on we don't know. We don't have to. We only warn the user they may potentially be tracked. I'm not sure where this is heading, however, thanks for raising this, Geert. P.S. people that care are allowed to disagree :) -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] OARS classification of gnucash
Op donderdag 22 augustus 2019 19:50:38 CEST schreef John Ralls: > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Geert Janssens > > wrote: > > > > Gnome and Flathub use age rating data to classify applications as > > appropriate or not for certain groups of users. Both are using the Open > > Age Rating Service (OARS) [1] for this. > > > > I went to the trouble of filling the questionnaire for gnucash and ended > > up > > > > with this rating: > > > > > >mild > > > > > > > > "social-info" may be a bit odd, but when selecting this option, I was > > considering the AlphaVantage API key which I presume can/will be used by > > Alpha Vantage to track the user. > > > > Does anyone have remarks/issues with this classification ? If so, please > > share, otherwise I'll use this for the next gnucash release. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > [1] https://hughsie.github.io/oars/ > > I don't know that it matters much, I wouldn't really expect a 12 year old to > be interested in GnuCash anyway... and besides, 12 year olds know how to > get around most age restrictions. > Sure, it doesn't matter that much, but the OARS piqued my curiosity. Also you're probably looking for more in it than it really does. It just labels applications. There's no actual restricting going on. Having said that, it is thanks to a system as OARS that users can easily know our application is not riddled with advertisements or trackers. For us that may be obvious. We're so used to this in the open source world. Flathub (or the Ubuntu app store for that matter) however also ships commercial applications, which do have advertisements or language that's not acceptable in all circumstances. > I don't think that there's anything tracking related that the Alphavantage > API key gets them. They can already get the requesting IP and associate the > list of requested prices with it just like all of the other price sources. > That's not to say that GnuCash users who use price quotes or online banking > aren't exposed to tracking, just that it's not limited to Alphavantage. > It's anyway pretty minor compared to web-browser use, so I went looking for > Epiphany's age rating and couldn't find one. The age rating is fairly new and still voluntary. So many applications don't do it yet. Further the definition of "Mild" according to the OARS is: "Using any online api" We do use online api's via Finance::Quote so that's why I selected it. How much tracking actually goes on we don't know. We don't have to. We only warn the user they may potentially be tracked. Regards, Geert ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] OARS classification of gnucash
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Geert Janssens > wrote: > > Gnome and Flathub use age rating data to classify applications as appropriate > or not for certain groups of users. Both are using the Open Age Rating > Service > (OARS) [1] for this. > > I went to the trouble of filling the questionnaire for gnucash and ended up > with this rating: > > >mild > > > "social-info" may be a bit odd, but when selecting this option, I was > considering the AlphaVantage API key which I presume can/will be used by > Alpha > Vantage to track the user. > > Does anyone have remarks/issues with this classification ? If so, please > share, otherwise I'll use this for the next gnucash release. > > Regards, > > Geert > > [1] https://hughsie.github.io/oars/ I don't know that it matters much, I wouldn't really expect a 12 year old to be interested in GnuCash anyway... and besides, 12 year olds know how to get around most age restrictions. I don't think that there's anything tracking related that the Alphavantage API key gets them. They can already get the requesting IP and associate the list of requested prices with it just like all of the other price sources. That's not to say that GnuCash users who use price quotes or online banking aren't exposed to tracking, just that it's not limited to Alphavantage. It's anyway pretty minor compared to web-browser use, so I went looking for Epiphany's age rating and couldn't find one. Regards, John Ralls ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
[GNC-dev] OARS classification of gnucash
Gnome and Flathub use age rating data to classify applications as appropriate or not for certain groups of users. Both are using the Open Age Rating Service (OARS) [1] for this. I went to the trouble of filling the questionnaire for gnucash and ended up with this rating: mild "social-info" may be a bit odd, but when selecting this option, I was considering the AlphaVantage API key which I presume can/will be used by Alpha Vantage to track the user. Does anyone have remarks/issues with this classification ? If so, please share, otherwise I'll use this for the next gnucash release. Regards, Geert [1] https://hughsie.github.io/oars/ ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
