Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Mike Alexander]

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:22 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 3.22.what? I pushed the change to gtk that caused the pango breakage between 
> 3.22.11 and 3.22.12 so 3.22.11 wouldn't have had the problem... and of course 
> if pango is using the fontconfig backend it shouldn't manifest anyway. Of 
> course it's also possible that MacPorts picked up my patch from the bug.

Sorry, it’s 3.22.17.  I didn’t copy and paste enough.

I discovered that switching to the HighContrast theme improved the sizing of 
the tabs so they are similar to the size in Gtk2.  This doesn’t seem like 
something I would expect.

  Mike
 
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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[John Ralls]

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:31 AM, Mike Alexander  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:49 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, looks like both whitespace and font are larger. What version of Gtk+-3?
>> 
> 
> It’s version 3.22.
> 
>> Hmm, looks like both whitespace and font are larger. What version of Gtk+-3?
>> 
>> You can try fiddling with the tab-label styling in 
>> ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css. There's some guidance in 
>> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/theming.html 
>> .
> 
> I’ll take a look at that.
> 

3.22.what? I pushed the change to gtk that caused the pango breakage between 
3.22.11 and 3.22.12 so 3.22.11 wouldn't have had the problem... and of course 
if pango is using the fontconfig backend it shouldn't manifest anyway. Of 
course it's also possible that MacPorts picked up my patch from the bug.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Mike Alexander]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:49 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, looks like both whitespace and font are larger. What version of Gtk+-3?
> 

It’s version 3.22.

> Hmm, looks like both whitespace and font are larger. What version of Gtk+-3?
> 
> You can try fiddling with the tab-label styling in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css. 
> There's some guidance in 
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/theming.html 
> .

I’ll take a look at that.

Mike
 
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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[John Ralls]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 7:28 AM, Mike Alexander  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 12:21 AM, Mike Alexander > > wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:23 AM, John Ralls >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know if the MacPorts X-build uses the CoreText or FontConfig 
>>> backend for Pango, but if it uses CoreText it might be your problem.
>> 
>> I don’t know either.  I see that Pango’s configure looks for (and finds) 
>> fontconfig, but then says "checking which cairo font backends could be 
>> used... quartz freetype”.  I suspect it is using fontconfig.  I am using a 
>> Retina display, but the text in the tabs seems like it’s normal size.  There 
>> is a lot of blank space around the text that makes the tab bigger.  In fact 
>> the text itself is smaller in the Gtk3 version.  Here are a couple of 
>> screenshots.
> 
> 
> I guess attachments aren’t allowed, I should have known.  The screenshots are 
> at 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ge32ydfc95fum8/Gtk2%20tabs.png?dl=0 
>  (Gtk2)
> and
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c650pqyjbyl1zvn/Gtk3%20tabs.png?dl=0 
>  (Gtk3)

Hmm, looks like both whitespace and font are larger. What version of Gtk+-3?

You can try fiddling with the tab-label styling in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css. 
There's some guidance in https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/theming.html 
.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Derek Atkins]

Mike,

Mike Alexander  writes:

> I guess attachments aren’t allowed, I should have known.  The
> screenshots are at

*attachments* are allowed

*INLINE* images are not.

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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Mike Alexander]

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 12:21 AM, Mike Alexander  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:23 AM, John Ralls  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know if the MacPorts X-build uses the CoreText or FontConfig backend 
>> for Pango, but if it uses CoreText it might be your problem.
> 
> I don’t know either.  I see that Pango’s configure looks for (and finds) 
> fontconfig, but then says "checking which cairo font backends could be 
> used... quartz freetype”.  I suspect it is using fontconfig.  I am using a 
> Retina display, but the text in the tabs seems like it’s normal size.  There 
> is a lot of blank space around the text that makes the tab bigger.  In fact 
> the text itself is smaller in the Gtk3 version.  Here are a couple of 
> screenshots.


I guess attachments aren’t allowed, I should have known.  The screenshots are 
at 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ge32ydfc95fum8/Gtk2%20tabs.png?dl=0 
 (Gtk2)
and
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c650pqyjbyl1zvn/Gtk3%20tabs.png?dl=0 
 (Gtk3)

  Mike

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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Mike Alexander]

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:23 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if the MacPorts X-build uses the CoreText or FontConfig backend 
> for Pango, but if it uses CoreText it might be your problem.

I don’t know either.  I see that Pango’s configure looks for (and finds) 
fontconfig, but then says "checking which cairo font backends could be used... 
quartz freetype”.  I suspect it is using fontconfig.  I am using a Retina 
display, but the text in the tabs seems like it’s normal size.  There is a lot 
of blank space around the text that makes the tab bigger.  In fact the text 
itself is smaller in the Gtk3 version.  Here are a couple of screenshots.

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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[John Ralls]

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 6:17 AM, Mike Alexander  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Sumit Bhardwaj  wrote:
>> 
>> For the tab issue, can you share a screenshot or something to that effect? I 
>> am on master build and have tabs on right-hand side as well, but it's 
>> perfectly usable.
>> 
> 
> It’s certainly usable, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.  It’s just that I 
> have to scroll to see all my tabs where I don’t in the old version.  It’s a 
> minor annoyance that should be easily dealt with.  I should probably learn 
> enough about Gtk3 to fix it myself, but if I start playing around with that I 
> won’t get any of the things I should be doing done.  Also, note that I’m 
> using the X Window version, not the Quartz version.  The Quartz version may 
> be quite different (I’m not sure if it’s even being built yet).
> 
>   

Mike,

I just built quartz on my laptop on the way over from the US last week and 
pushed the changes. 

There's a pango bug, 782393, about drawing double-size with CoreText on a 
Retina screen; it was revealed by a change to Gtk that's mentioned in the first 
note on the bug. I've written a patch which is in Gtk-OSX but it's waiting for 
Bedhad to approve it before I can push it to Pango.

I don't know if the MacPorts X-build uses the CoreText or FontConfig backend 
for Pango, but if it uses CoreText it might be your problem.

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Geert Janssens]

On dinsdag 8 augustus 2017 05:17:09 CEST Mike Alexander wrote:
> > On Aug 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Sumit Bhardwaj  wrote:
> > 
> > For the tab issue, can you share a screenshot or something to that effect?
> > I am on master build and have tabs on right-hand side as well, but it's
> > perfectly usable.
> It’s certainly usable, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.  It’s just that I
> have to scroll to see all my tabs where I don’t in the old version.  It’s a
> minor annoyance that should be easily dealt with.  I should probably learn
> enough about Gtk3 to fix it myself, but if I start playing around with that
> I won’t get any of the things I should be doing done.  Also, note that I’m
> using the X Window version, not the Quartz version.  The Quartz version may
> be quite different (I’m not sure if it’s even being built yet).

I don't think it's an X Window vs Quarz thing. The tabs in gtk3 are 
effectively much bigger. It's a matter of theming. I always get the feeling 
the default gtk3 theme has been developed with with touch screens in mind 
rather than keyboard/mouse interaction. Perhaps another theme will do better.

Geert
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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Mike Alexander]

> On Aug 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Sumit Bhardwaj  wrote:
> 
> For the tab issue, can you share a screenshot or something to that effect? I 
> am on master build and have tabs on right-hand side as well, but it's 
> perfectly usable.
> 

It’s certainly usable, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.  It’s just that I have 
to scroll to see all my tabs where I don’t in the old version.  It’s a minor 
annoyance that should be easily dealt with.  I should probably learn enough 
about Gtk3 to fix it myself, but if I start playing around with that I won’t 
get any of the things I should be doing done.  Also, note that I’m using the X 
Window version, not the Quartz version.  The Quartz version may be quite 
different (I’m not sure if it’s even being built yet).

Mike

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Re: Python bindings and Gtk3

[Sumit Bhardwaj]

Agree with Mike. GTK3 changes are looking fine. So far, only minor issues.

For the tab issue, can you share a screenshot or something to that effect?
I am on master build and have tabs on right-hand side as well, but it's
perfectly usable.

-Sumit

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Mike Alexander  wrote:

> You may already know this, but the Python bindings done’t work in the
> current master branch (they still use Gtk2).  I made a brief attempt to fix
> this, but I don’t know either Python or Gtk3 well enough.
>
> I also noticed a cosmetic issue that you may not be aware of because I use
> a non-default window configuration.  I keep the tabs arranged along the
> right hand side of the  window.  In the Gtk3 version these tabs are about
> twice as high as previously.  This means that my tabs don’t fit along the
> side of the window without scrolling.  Before they took up about 2/3 of the
> window height.  This is obviously not a fatal problem, but it is annoying.
>
> In general, I’m impressed by how well this works given the magnitude of
> the change.  It’s going to be a big improvement.
>
>   Mike
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