Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-23 Thread doncram
About invoicing making GnuCash show assets (accounts receivable) when the dues are billed (or pledges receivable), I don't see why that would be much of a problem. Couldn't that be addressed by your entering a journal entry to zero out the asset balance and reverse the income recognized, whenever

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-23 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 9/22/2020 11:20 PM, doncram wrote: About invoicing making GnuCash show assets (accounts receivable) when the dues are billed (or pledges receivable), I don't see why that would be much of a problem.  Couldn't that be addressed by your entering a journal entry to zero out the asset balance an

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-21 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 9/20/2020 10:47 PM, doncram wrote: Just to say GnuCash could serve churches and other nonprofits much better if Job Costing were supported.  And relatedly, more churches and other nonprofits could use GnuCash if Job Costing were supported.  Thank you Jacob Oomen for sharing the links to your

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-21 Thread doncram
Just to say GnuCash could serve churches and other nonprofits much better if Job Costing were supported. And relatedly, more churches and other nonprofits could use GnuCash if Job Costing were supported. Thank you Jacob Oomen for sharing the links to your extensive past work to help accountants f

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-20 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
If one has a lot of separate restricted and/or designated funds it must be very difficult to keep track of them all. And don't forget GRANTS. Those are very much like restricted funds if the money is received ahead of use AND are almost, if not quite as much work, even when in the form of re

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-20 Thread w...@theprescotts.com
The group I keep books for has a policy of only accepting restricted or directed donations in the case where the donation is very large. Large in our case is over $10,000 or $20,000 Mexican pesos, $500 or $1000 US dollars. So far we have not had to deal with any. We have had a couple of donation

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-20 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 03:10:51PM -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > > The "restricted account" you are referring to is probably a "fund". Monies > > collected for a specific purpose and meant to be used for that specific > > purpose only. These are accounts that need to be kept in th

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-19 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
The "restricted account" you are referring to is probably a "fund". Monies collected for a specific purpose and meant to be used for that specific purpose only. These are accounts that need to be kept in the Equity section. Actually, there are SEVERAL ways restricted funds may be accounted

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-09-19 Thread Jacob Oommen
2020 11:21:11 +0100 > From: Chris Green > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) > accounts? Advice? > Message-ID: <20200826102111.GA997230@esprimo> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Liz Dodd
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:03:10 +0100 Chris Green wrote: > > My advice would be to go for a very simple chart of accounts and > > deal with restricted funds and budgeting externally, either on > > paper or on a spreadsheet. I have discovered from bitter experience > > that it is possible to overthin

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 09:26:53AM -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > Well, yes, but the existing paper system is hardly transparent! :-) > > > > I'm really only trying to work things out from what has to be on the > > annual return to the CofE. > > > > The restricted and unrestricted fund

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
Well, yes, but the existing paper system is hardly transparent! :-) I'm really only trying to work things out from what has to be on the annual return to the CofE. The restricted and unrestricted funds are at least basically separated by being in separate accounts. If the restricted funds are i

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:40:03AM +0100, Michael Hendry wrote: > > On 29 Aug 2020, at 10:39, Chris Green wrote: > >> > > Well it sounds as if you know the ins and outs then! :-) > > I seem to have got away with it so far, with the help of charity-friendly > accountants and especially this foru

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Michael Hendry
> On 29 Aug 2020, at 10:39, Chris Green wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:16:43PM +0100, Michael Hendry wrote: >> On 26 Aug 2020, at 11:21, Chris Green wrote: >>> >>> I have just taken over as treasurer of a (very) small church Parochial >>> Church Council. The existing accounts are all wh

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread John Angelico
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 19:42, Chris Green wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:16:43PM +0100, Michael Hendry wrote: > > On 26 Aug 2020, at 11:21, Chris Green wrote: > > > > > > I have just taken over as treasurer of a (very) small church Parochial > > > Church Council. The existing accounts are

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:51:47PM -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > On 8/26/2020 7:16 AM, Michael Hendry wrote: > > > > I used to run my own small Ltd. company so basic accounting methods, > > > VAT, etc. are not beyond me either. > > > > > > What I want is more on the 'how to run a small

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-29 Thread Chris Green
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:16:43PM +0100, Michael Hendry wrote: > On 26 Aug 2020, at 11:21, Chris Green wrote: > > > > I have just taken over as treasurer of a (very) small church Parochial > > Church Council. The existing accounts are all wholly manual and I > > want to move to some level of co

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-26 Thread Jim Ziobro
I handle "Restricted" assets as Equity accounts. Typically the "Board" designates the various classes of temporarily restricted, permanently restricted, and unrestricted assets. The changes in equity are at the order of the Board. For example the Board might designate funds restricted to some

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
I took over as treasurer for my church as of the first of the year and have been using GC. There are three payroll employees that I managed to set up for withholding tracking. It's kind of twisted but it works for me. There are some things I do in spreadsheets and GC is primarily my way of track

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-26 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 8/26/2020 7:16 AM, Michael Hendry wrote: I used to run my own small Ltd. company so basic accounting methods, VAT, etc. are not beyond me either. What I want is more on the 'how to run a small PCC accounts with GnuCash' sort of thing. There are some quirks to PCC accounts (I think!):-

Re: [GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-26 Thread Michael Hendry
On 26 Aug 2020, at 11:21, Chris Green wrote: > > I have just taken over as treasurer of a (very) small church Parochial > Church Council. The existing accounts are all wholly manual and I > want to move to some level of computerisation. > > I am a long time Linux user and was, before I retired,

[GNC] New user - anyone else using GnuCash for PCC (church) accounts? Advice?

2020-08-26 Thread Chris Green
I have just taken over as treasurer of a (very) small church Parochial Church Council. The existing accounts are all wholly manual and I want to move to some level of computerisation. I am a long time Linux user and was, before I retired, a Software Engineer so the 'techie' side of things shouldn