Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-24 Thread flywire
I uploaded the spreadsheet I've been using and a python program I wrote to https://github.com/flywire/ETF-Annual-Statement It's basically just a lookup and pivot table saved to csv using rounding as an error check (credit to Chris Grinton). It could easily be extended to automatically extract the

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-13 Thread john
One of these years I'll find time to rewrite that chapter. I don't know of any case where someone in GnuCash's target user base of individuals and very small companies would need to book unrealized gains that way; mostly only big financial companies need to do that. The normal way of tracking

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-12 Thread flywire
This Account Summary demonstrates the last part of the need to distribute all [Family] Trust income from the ETFs. Note: 1. ETFs have been manually revalued at the end of the tax year (after working through https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_invest.html ) 2. Distributions

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-12 Thread Chris Grinton
Re "the attribution values [...] don't exist in the [...] tax return": On the contrary, the attribution values from Part B are exactly what drives the values that end up at the various labels in the Australian tax return as detailed in Part A of the AMIT statement. I don't think you'll get away

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-12 Thread flywire
Thank you for the discussion. To clarify, these ETFs are index funds: https://www.vanguard.com.au/personal/invest-with-us/etf?portId=8205=prices-and-distributions I don't see the point of entering the attribution values since they don't exist in the bank statement or tax return. A contra account

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-11 Thread Chris Grinton
Hi flywire, A couple of comments before I get into the meat of my response: - What you're asking about here is somewhat specific to Australia, and the details may not be applicable to other jurisdictions. - I'm not an accountant, so I'm not sure how an accountant would respond to

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2022-08-11 Thread john
> On Aug 11, 2022, at 6:06 AM, flywire wrote: > > It's tax time again and I'm wondering if I can improve on the process I > described in > https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-August/097424.html > > It works and keeps my accountant happy but it just doesn't seem to sit well

[GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2021-08-19 Thread flywire
I've finally figured it out, one of those John Ralls comments that leaves you scratching your head. Anyway, with covid and all, I'm starting to understand a bit more about the accounting side of shares. Apparently, dividends and distributions are different

Re: [GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2021-07-21 Thread flywire
Looks like it needs a Dividend contra account which should cancel itself out or be ignored in reporting: Dividend Date Deposit into Bank account from Dividend account End Previous Year Date Deposit into Dividend account from Component splits > ___

[GNC] Tax Accounting for Trust Income Received in Following Fiscal Year

2021-07-21 Thread flywire
In Australia ETFs operate under a trust structure, so distributions received in the new fiscal year are income for the previous tax year. Being tax, there are many splits associated with each transaction. (Essentially, if the year was changed to the previous fiscal year it would be reported for