Re: Importing Quicken

[David T. via gnucash-user]

When I did my import (over a decade ago, I believe), I had no problem with 
transfers. Since I was importing all in one pass, there were no duplicates 
created by transfers. 

I believe the duplication problem you describe specifically arises when you opt 
to import transaction data from individual accounts separately, since you have 
to tell the importer when a given transfer is already in the system from the 
other side. It’s precisely why I think it should NOT be the “preferred” way of 
importing from Quicken, since it forces the user to manually identify the other 
side of a transfer every time. That makes my head hurt just thinking about it. 

This is why I chose to run the Export-Import process iteratively, until I got 
the Quicken data massaged to my satisfaction. Then the imported data was all 
good.

Most of the challenge had to do with random category variations, and 
uncategorized transactions—which you well know will end up in IMBALANCE-USD.

David T.

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 7:16 PM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> David T,
> 
> Does the QIF importer detect duplicates created by transfers within the same 
> import file?  I seem to recall needing to separate accounts to different 
> files to detect them.
> 
> David C
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:00 AM, David T.  > wrote:
> Alen,
> 
> What you’ve done with the Benefits section is better, but I still feel that 
> any mention of benefits of migration is misplaced here. Someone looking for 
> ways to migrate from Quicken presumably has already come to this conclusion.
> 
> * I have edited the tips portion further. I added a tip regarding the whole 
> Categories/Accounts paradigm.
> 
> * I modified your tip regarding import of categories only, since it isn’t 
> strictly necessary.
> 
> I think it’s useful here to note that I didn’t have to either import the 
> account structure or individual accounts separately when I imported my large 
> QIF file way back in the dark ages—I simply exported everything in one big 
> QIF and did the import from that. That was when I discovered the holes in my 
> Quicken data. I chose to go back in to Quicken, fill in those holes, and 
> re-export the entire file again, repeating until I had a clean enough import 
> to move forward. I know that others have had a different experience.
> 
> * I modified the tip about multiple currencies to more accurately reflect the 
> situation and make it clear that the problem isn’t with GnuCash, but with QIF.
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> > On Apr 4, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Alen Siljak  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi, David,
> >
> > You are right. I've removed the benefits section but kept the fact about 
> > open data standards. Apart from being a benefit (to me), it is also a 
> > consequence of migration that may or may not be important for users.
> >
> >> You mention multi-currency problems with QIF, saying that GnuCash only 
> >> handles one currency per file. However, I am under the impression that the 
> >> problem of multiple currencies had to do with the *QIF* specification, and 
> >> not GnuCash. In other words, the problem isn't that GnuCash doesn’t handle 
> >> multiple currencies, it’s that QIF doesn’t. Can anyone confirm that for me?
> >
> > Yes, that's probably true. However, if an application interprets a transfer 
> > in such a manner that it takes 100 Euros from one and then deposits 100 AUD 
> > into another account without warning the user, that's a big no-no for me.
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback!
> 
> 

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Re: Importing Quicken

[David Carlson]

David T,

Does the QIF importer detect duplicates created by transfers within the
same import file?  I seem to recall needing to separate accounts to
different files to detect them.

David C

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:00 AM, David T.  wrote:

> Alen,
>
> What you’ve done with the Benefits section is better, but I still feel
> that any mention of benefits of migration is misplaced here. Someone
> looking for ways to migrate from Quicken presumably has already come to
> this conclusion.
>
> * I have edited the tips portion further. I added a tip regarding the
> whole Categories/Accounts paradigm.
>
> * I modified your tip regarding import of categories only, since it isn’t
> strictly necessary.
>
> I think it’s useful here to note that I didn’t have to either import the
> account structure or individual accounts separately when I imported my
> large QIF file way back in the dark ages—I simply exported everything in
> one big QIF and did the import from that. That was when I discovered the
> holes in my Quicken data. I chose to go back in to Quicken, fill in those
> holes, and re-export the entire file again, repeating until I had a clean
> enough import to move forward. I know that others have had a different
> experience.
>
> * I modified the tip about multiple currencies to more accurately reflect
> the situation and make it clear that the problem isn’t with GnuCash, but
> with QIF.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> > On Apr 4, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Alen Siljak  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, David,
> >
> > You are right. I've removed the benefits section but kept the fact about
> open data standards. Apart from being a benefit (to me), it is also a
> consequence of migration that may or may not be important for users.
> >
> >> You mention multi-currency problems with QIF, saying that GnuCash only
> handles one currency per file. However, I am under the impression that the
> problem of multiple currencies had to do with the *QIF* specification, and
> not GnuCash. In other words, the problem isn't that GnuCash doesn’t handle
> multiple currencies, it’s that QIF doesn’t. Can anyone confirm that for me?
> >
> > Yes, that's probably true. However, if an application interprets a
> transfer in such a manner that it takes 100 Euros from one and then
> deposits 100 AUD into another account without warning the user, that's a
> big no-no for me.
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback!
>
>
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Re: Importing Quicken

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Alen,

What you’ve done with the Benefits section is better, but I still feel that any 
mention of benefits of migration is misplaced here. Someone looking for ways to 
migrate from Quicken presumably has already come to this conclusion.

* I have edited the tips portion further. I added a tip regarding the whole 
Categories/Accounts paradigm. 

* I modified your tip regarding import of categories only, since it isn’t 
strictly necessary. 

I think it’s useful here to note that I didn’t have to either import the 
account structure or individual accounts separately when I imported my large 
QIF file way back in the dark ages—I simply exported everything in one big QIF 
and did the import from that. That was when I discovered the holes in my 
Quicken data. I chose to go back in to Quicken, fill in those holes, and 
re-export the entire file again, repeating until I had a clean enough import to 
move forward. I know that others have had a different experience.

* I modified the tip about multiple currencies to more accurately reflect the 
situation and make it clear that the problem isn’t with GnuCash, but with QIF.

Cheers,
David

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Alen Siljak  wrote:
> 
> Hi, David,
> 
> You are right. I've removed the benefits section but kept the fact about open 
> data standards. Apart from being a benefit (to me), it is also a consequence 
> of migration that may or may not be important for users.
> 
>> You mention multi-currency problems with QIF, saying that GnuCash only 
>> handles one currency per file. However, I am under the impression that the 
>> problem of multiple currencies had to do with the *QIF* specification, and 
>> not GnuCash. In other words, the problem isn't that GnuCash doesn’t handle 
>> multiple currencies, it’s that QIF doesn’t. Can anyone confirm that for me?
> 
> Yes, that's probably true. However, if an application interprets a transfer 
> in such a manner that it takes 100 Euros from one and then deposits 100 AUD 
> into another account without warning the user, that's a big no-no for me.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Importing Quicken

[Alen Siljak]

Hi, David,

You are right. I've removed the benefits section but kept the fact about open 
data standards. Apart from being a benefit (to me), it is also a consequence of 
migration that may or may not be important for users.

> You mention multi-currency problems with QIF, saying that GnuCash only 
> handles one currency per file. However, I am under the impression that the 
> problem of multiple currencies had to do with the *QIF* specification, and 
> not GnuCash. In other words, the problem isn't that GnuCash doesn’t handle 
> multiple currencies, it’s that QIF doesn’t. Can anyone confirm that for me?

Yes, that's probably true. However, if an application interprets a transfer in 
such a manner that it takes 100 Euros from one and then deposits 100 AUD into 
another account without warning the user, that's a big no-no for me.

Thanks for the feedback!
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Re: Importing Quicken

[David T. via gnucash-user]

cicko,

I also like what you’ve done. I will add some edits there. 

Personally, I think the “Benefits” section is pointless; this page is about the 
migration from Quicken—not why someone should use GnuCash. I would recommend 
deleting it altogether, but I defer to you, since you created it.

You mention multi-currency problems with QIF, saying that GnuCash only handles 
one currency per file. However, I am under the impression that the problem of 
multiple currencies had to do with the *QIF* specification, and not GnuCash. In 
other words, the problem isn't that GnuCash doesn’t handle multiple currencies, 
it’s that QIF doesn’t. Can anyone confirm that for me?

Cheers,
David

> On Apr 3, 2018, at 5:15 PM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> cicko,
> 
> A very nice start.
> 
> I would add that those with large data files extending back several years
> should consider:
> 
> 1. not importing all of it.
> 
> 2. if you want to import it all, break down your export QIF process to one
> asset or liability account at a time and for limited time intervals such as
> one year at a time.
> 
> The one account at a time procedure makes it possible for GnuCash to detect
> most transfers between accounts so they are not duplicated during the
> import.  I would recommend that to all users.
> 
> I think that split memos are still not imported as of recent GnuCash
> releases up to 2.6.17 or so, but do not quote me on that.  I have not tried
> it recently.
> 
> David C
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:02 AM, cicko  wrote:
> 
>> I have just copied the instructions from the FAQ page into a separate page
>> on
>> the GnuCash wiki, dedicated to Quicken migration:
>> 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration
>> 
>> This is a general hint to anyone considering or performing an actual
>> migration from Quicken to GnuCash, to consult the knowledge shared in this
>> page, try to apply it, and provide some feedback so that the instructions
>> can be improved over time.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Importing Quicken

[cicko]

I have just copied the instructions from the FAQ page into a separate page on
the GnuCash wiki, dedicated to Quicken migration:

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration

This is a general hint to anyone considering or performing an actual
migration from Quicken to GnuCash, to consult the knowledge shared in this
page, try to apply it, and provide some feedback so that the instructions
can be improved over time.



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Re: Importing Quicken

[mahon . finbar]

Me too. I closed off 2017 in Q and used bank balances etc., to start Gnucash on 
1.1.2018. 

No issues. 

On March 11, 2018 10:27:29 AM GMT+01:00, keithwjones  
wrote:
>Edward Ingram-2 wrote
>> My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017)
>> How can I import these? 
>
>I found it easier to just start again with GnuCash instead of importing
>data
>that I did not require. You then have a nice new clean set of accounts.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
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Re: Importing Quicken

[keithwjones]

Edward Ingram-2 wrote
> My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017)
> How can I import these? 

I found it easier to just start again with GnuCash instead of importing data
that I did not require. You then have a nice new clean set of accounts. 

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Re: Importing Quicken

[Edward Ingram]

OK DOKE

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:00 PM, David Carlson  wrote:

> Edward, Please use reply all to include the maillist.
>
> You need to read the manual and understand how double entry bookkeeping
> works.  You do not really have hundreds of accounts that don't actually
> exist.  As you stated originally, you only have three bank accounts.  All
> the others would be what were called categories in Quicken but they are
> Income and Expense accounts in GnuCash
>
> David C
>
> David C
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Edward Ingram  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the quick response!
>> I discovered that I could export my Quicken in .QIF and amazingly,
>> gnucash had no problems whatsoever  importing them. I'm a little
>> intimidated as I begin to learn gnucash as I have hundreds of accounts that
>> don't actually exist. I will need months of work to reduce them to the
>> three registers that I actually need.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:16 AM, David Carlson <
>> david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The QDF format is one of the data formats that Quicken has used over the
>>> years.  It is proprietary and sufficiently encrypted to be impossible to
>>> read with other programs.  Before you abandon Quicken you need to use it to
>>> open your file and export your data to QIF format which GnuCash can
>>> import.  Depending on how much data you have we usually suggest exporting
>>> one account at a time.  Good Luck.
>>>
>>> David C
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Edward Ingram <
>>> edwardingram...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017)
 How can I import these? I do not wish to continue using quicken.
 I only have three bank accounts and no investments. I do not need the
 extras of Quicken.
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Re: Importing Quicken

[David Carlson]

Edward, Please use reply all to include the maillist.

You need to read the manual and understand how double entry bookkeeping
works.  You do not really have hundreds of accounts that don't actually
exist.  As you stated originally, you only have three bank accounts.  All
the others would be what were called categories in Quicken but they are
Income and Expense accounts in GnuCash

David C

David C



On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Edward Ingram 
wrote:

> Thanks for the quick response!
> I discovered that I could export my Quicken in .QIF and amazingly, gnucash
> had no problems whatsoever  importing them. I'm a little intimidated as I
> begin to learn gnucash as I have hundreds of accounts that don't actually
> exist. I will need months of work to reduce them to the three registers
> that I actually need.
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:16 AM, David Carlson <
> david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The QDF format is one of the data formats that Quicken has used over the
>> years.  It is proprietary and sufficiently encrypted to be impossible to
>> read with other programs.  Before you abandon Quicken you need to use it to
>> open your file and export your data to QIF format which GnuCash can
>> import.  Depending on how much data you have we usually suggest exporting
>> one account at a time.  Good Luck.
>>
>> David C
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Edward Ingram <
>> edwardingram...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017)
>>> How can I import these? I do not wish to continue using quicken.
>>> I only have three bank accounts and no investments. I do not need the
>>> extras of Quicken.
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Re: Importing Quicken

[Ken Schneider]

On 03/10/2018 11:16 AM, David Carlson wrote:

The QDF format is one of the data formats that Quicken has used over the
years.  It is proprietary and sufficiently encrypted to be impossible to
read with other programs.  Before you abandon Quicken you need to use it to
open your file and export your data to QIF format which GnuCash can
import.  Depending on how much data you have we usually suggest exporting
one account at a time.  Good Luck.

David C

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Edward Ingram 
wrote:


My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017)
How can I import these? I do not wish to continue using quicken.
I only have three bank accounts and no investments. I do not need the
extras of Quicken.


One of the first things you may want to export is all of your Quicken 
categories that are accounts in the real world. Then export each of your 
accounts in Quicken into a qif file for import into GNUcash. You will 
need to go through each entry in the register to make sure you have none 
with an 'uncategorized' corresponding account (category in Quicken 
terms). It will be tedious but well worth the effort.
Online download of transactions may not work but you can always download 
the data to a qfx file (webconnect file) for import into GNUcash.


Ken Schneider

Long time Quicken user
Recent convert to GNUcash and loving it
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Re: Importing Quicken

[Colin Law]

I believe you have to export from quicken to QIF. Should be in the
menus somewhere.

Colin

On 10 March 2018 at 16:12, Ken Pyzik  wrote:
> Edward -- I did the switch about 8 months ago and have not looked back.
>
> I am pretty sure you can directly import your file from Quicken.  I do not
> remember exactly how I did it but I think QIF means quicken file so it
> should work.
>
> Three things to be aware:
>
> 1.  If you use categories -- those no longer exist is GNUCASH.  Each
> category, theoretically becomes a separate account
> 2.  Double entry accounting means that for every entry there will be an
> opposite an equal "counter" entry into a second account
> 3.  Finally, to get started at the beginning, you will have some "beginning
> balances" entries.
>
> Hope this all makes sense.  It may not covert over 100% --- and depending
> upon how long you were using Quicken -- you could have a lot of
> transactions.  I had transactions dated back to 2001 -- and decided I did
> not want to carry all that stuff -- so I picked a cutoff date (1/1/2014) and
> ended up deleting everything before that.It was a bit a work -- but in
> the end -- very much worth it.
>
> Best of luck -- and I am sure of the experts here can give you a bit more
> direction on the QIF file (I just don't remember what I did -- but it did
> work!).
>
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Edward Ingram
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> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Importing Quicken
>
> My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017) How can
> I import these? I do not wish to continue using quicken.
> I only have three bank accounts and no investments. I do not need the extras
> of Quicken.
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Re: Importing Quicken

[David Carlson]

The QDF format is one of the data formats that Quicken has used over the
years.  It is proprietary and sufficiently encrypted to be impossible to
read with other programs.  Before you abandon Quicken you need to use it to
open your file and export your data to QIF format which GnuCash can
import.  Depending on how much data you have we usually suggest exporting
one account at a time.  Good Luck.

David C

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Edward Ingram 
wrote:

> My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017)
> How can I import these? I do not wish to continue using quicken.
> I only have three bank accounts and no investments. I do not need the
> extras of Quicken.
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RE: Importing Quicken

[Ken Pyzik]

Edward -- I did the switch about 8 months ago and have not looked back.

I am pretty sure you can directly import your file from Quicken.  I do not
remember exactly how I did it but I think QIF means quicken file so it
should work.

Three things to be aware: 

1.  If you use categories -- those no longer exist is GNUCASH.  Each
category, theoretically becomes a separate account
2.  Double entry accounting means that for every entry there will be an
opposite an equal "counter" entry into a second account
3.  Finally, to get started at the beginning, you will have some "beginning
balances" entries.

Hope this all makes sense.  It may not covert over 100% --- and depending
upon how long you were using Quicken -- you could have a lot of
transactions.  I had transactions dated back to 2001 -- and decided I did
not want to carry all that stuff -- so I picked a cutoff date (1/1/2014) and
ended up deleting everything before that.It was a bit a work -- but in
the end -- very much worth it.  

Best of luck -- and I am sure of the experts here can give you a bit more
direction on the QIF file (I just don't remember what I did -- but it did
work!).

Ken

-Original Message-
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To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Importing Quicken

My Quicken files are stored in .QDF format, not .QIF. (Quicken 2017) How can
I import these? I do not wish to continue using quicken.
I only have three bank accounts and no investments. I do not need the extras
of Quicken.
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