Re: Key corruption: duplicate signatures and usage flags

2017-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach MFPA <2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net> [2017-06-23 00:33 +0200]: > I didn't know you could remove a usage flag once the key was on the > keyservers. Well, it somehow seems to work, apart from the fact that gnupg first needs to clean up the key (using --edit-key) after download

Re: TOFU

2017-06-22 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wednesday 21 June 2017 at 7:49:42 PM, in , Peter Lebbing wrote:- > I think it's a bad UX choice to > name an invalid > signature "UNTRUSTED Good" and a valid signature > "Good". I think it > suggests they both have some credibility, which is a

Re: Key corruption: duplicate signatures and usage flags

2017-06-22 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thursday 22 June 2017 at 12:22:46 PM, in , martin f krafft wrote:- > There were [SC] when I created it, but I've recently > changed to > a signing subkey and removed the flag from the > primary key. I didn't know you could remove a usage flag

Re: Are TOFU statistics used for validity or conflict resolution?

2017-06-22 Thread Neal H. Walfield
At Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:42:50 +0300, Teemu Likonen wrote: > It _seems_ to me that > > - Field 3 :: validity - A number with validity code. > > is the same thing as SUMMARY in TOFU_STATS. Am I right? > > And here's my question again: Does the SUMMARY field's value (0-4) have > effect on how

Re: Are TOFU statistics used for validity or conflict resolution?

2017-06-22 Thread Teemu Likonen
Teemu Likonen [2017-06-22 09:42:50+03] wrote: > Does the SUMMARY field's value (0-4) have effect on how key's validity > is calculated or how TOFU conflicts are resolved or presented to a > user? I didn't get answers yet but I'll speculate a bit on the subject. This is all about "trust-model tofu

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:29, madd...@madduck.net said: > updating the trustdb on update of key material, wouldn't it make > much more sense to compute the information just-in-time? Provided For a key listing this means computing it for every listed key. And the majority of frontends first do a key

Re: Key corruption: duplicate signatures and usage flags

2017-06-22 Thread Justus Winter
martin f krafft writes: > [ Unknown signature status ] > Hey Justus, thanks for writing in. Here are the answers you wanted: > >> gpg --version please? > > 2.1.18 > >> > So far, so good. Do note the [SC] usage flags. >> >> What are the capabilities of your primary key supposed to be? > > There w

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Neal H. Walfield [2017-06-22 16:15 +0200]: > I didn't say that it is not possible to have a better algorithm. It > is possible. But, it is not as easy as you suggest (and what you > suggest doesn't sound trivial). > > For instance, adding or updating a key doesn't necessarily result

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread Neal H. Walfield
Hi, I didn't say that it is not possible to have a better algorithm. It is possible. But, it is not as easy as you suggest (and what you suggest doesn't sound trivial). For instance, adding or updating a key doesn't necessarily result in equal or more trust. An update could cause a key to be r

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Peter Lebbing [2017-06-22 15:46 +0200]: > > As far as I understand, the parameters --marginals-needed and > > --completes-needed can be used to define a maximum search depth D, > > so when I ask GPG to update the trustdb WRT key 0xdeadbeef, then I'd > > envision it to > > Don't you me

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 22/06/17 15:00, martin f krafft wrote: > As far as I understand, the parameters --marginals-needed and > --completes-needed can be used to define a maximum search depth D, > so when I ask GPG to update the trustdb WRT key 0xdeadbeef, then I'd > envision it to Don't you mean >--max-cert

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andrew Gallagher [2017-06-21 15:57 +0200]: > I have a quick and dirty tool here: > https://github.com/andrewgdotcom/synctrust Yeah, that'll do the job, except it blindly overwrites changes made locally. It's unlikely this happens, but say I declared your key trustworthy last night at

Re: Key corruption: duplicate signatures and usage flags

2017-06-22 Thread Teemu Likonen
Justus Winter [2017-06-21 15:10:52+02] wrote: > martin f krafft writes: >> x-hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net > > Here ^ is the keyserver url. >> gpg> save >> Preferred keyserver: Preferred keyserver: Preferred keyserver: Preferred >> keyserver: Preferred keyserver: Preferred keyserver: P

Re: Managing the WoT with GPG

2017-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Neal H. Walfield [2017-06-21 14:00 +0200]: > It starts with the set of ultimately trusted keys. But let's say > that you start with key X, which is not ultimately trusted. What > should GnuPG do with the result? Or, let's say that X is > ultimately trusted and it decides that key Y

Re: Key corruption: duplicate signatures and usage flags

2017-06-22 Thread martin f krafft
Hey Justus, thanks for writing in. Here are the answers you wanted: > gpg --version please? 2.1.18 > > So far, so good. Do note the [SC] usage flags. > > What are the capabilities of your primary key supposed to be? There were [SC] when I created it, but I've recently changed to a signing subk