Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-18 Thread Werner Koch
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:49, martin-gnupg-us...@dkyb.de said: think. Because your world seems to be the more righteous and calm place and I wish I didn't have to worry about the future of free societies as I can't read that from Robert's mails. IIRC, the main point here was that traffic

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-18 Thread Robert J. Hansen
I can't read that from Robert's mails. IIRC, the main point here was that traffic analysis is a much more powerful tool than wholesale content analysis. I am not in a position to know whether it is for a fact, but that agrees with my understanding. My other position is that we have to be

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-18 Thread Martin Behrendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 18.03.2014 15:01, schrieb Robert J. Hansen: My other position is that we have to be careful what we believe. In these times it's tempting to see shadows and jump at them, believing that we're seeing the bogeyman. We have to resist this

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-18 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Quoting Martin Behrendt martin-gnupg-us...@dkyb.de: Sorry if I sound cynical but the bogeyman says hallo [1]: Strange: when my nephews were young they would also pass on messages from the Thing That Lived In The Closet. (They never called it the bogeyman. Just That Thing That Lives In

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-18 Thread Martin Behrendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 18.03.2014 19:34, schrieb Robert J. Hansen: (1) Given how many flat wrong things get printed in the newspaper, believing this reporting may not be wise. While this in general is true, I really wonder why you say that in the current context.

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-17 Thread Michael Anders
I apologize for having triggered the emotionally agitated exchange in this thread culminating in someone bringing up the German-Jew trauma. I did not intend this and will try to make future points in a more moderate language. I acknowledge the outburst of true emotion by the person I responded to

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-17 Thread Robert J. Hansen
The YYY (-a famous three letter agency) e.g. denies to archive content of YYY citizens mails. It is thus perfectly reasonable to assume it does so with all other ones. This is not a reasonable inference. I deny being able to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Is it perfectly

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-17 Thread Robert J. Hansen
That is an odd comparison. What does a statement about a fundamental law of physics which you can't change have to do with a statement about what you are doing, where you are perfectly free to do something else than you say? Try some variations. I deny that I've ever been to Vienna; is it

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Behrendt
Am 17.03.2014 17:54, schrieb Robert J. Hansen: That is an odd comparison. What does a statement about a fundamental law of physics which you can't change have to do with a statement about what you are doing, where you are perfectly free to do something else than you say? Try some

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Robert J. Hansen
The NSA e.g. denies to archive content of us-american citizens mails. It is thus perfectly reasonable to assume it does so with all other ones. They also deny being able to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics: is it thus perfectly reasonable to assume they can violate the other ones?

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Robert J. Hansen
You know what? To hell with it. I /will/ celebrate his birthday, just ten years late. Days. *Days* late. :) ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Tristan Santore
On 14/03/14 16:06, Robert J. Hansen wrote: The NSA e.g. denies to archive content of us-american citizens mails. It is thus perfectly reasonable to assume it does so with all other ones. They also deny being able to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics: is it thus perfectly reasonable to

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Michael Anders
So far theres no credible reporting that any government is doing mass surveillance of email content. Instead, mass surveillance focuses on metadata: whos talking to whom, when, with what for a subject line, routed through which mail servers, and so on. The NSA e.g. denies to archive

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Totally off-topic. But that your father was a highly positioned judge, would make you rather biased. Sure, just like someone being German would make them pretty biased against Jews. What I just said was insensitive, offensive, and completely inappropriate. So, too, was what you just

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Tristan Santore
On 14/03/14 17:28, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Totally off-topic. But that your father was a highly positioned judge, would make you rather biased. Sure, just like someone being German would make them pretty biased against Jews. What I just said was insensitive, offensive, and completely

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-14 Thread Robert J. Hansen
But I do know loads of German's, which of course, with you making such statements, not only shows that you have a serious problem, if you have to offend people, just because you feel offended, but also shows how ignorant you are. You are missing the point. It is contemptible to believe

Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Martin Behrendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I want to achieve the following: 1. A Master signing key 2. A subkey signing/enc pair for my normal machine 3. A subkey signing/enc pair for e.g. my mobile device What I want to do is to have a different pair for my mobile device or work

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Do 13.03.2014, 11:44:08 schrieb Martin Behrendt: Hi, I want to achieve the following: 1. A Master signing key 2. A subkey signing/enc pair for my normal machine 3. A subkey signing/enc pair for e.g. my mobile device This is not possible in a useful sense and furthermore it doesn't make

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Hi Martin-- On 03/13/2014 06:44 AM, Martin Behrendt wrote: I want to achieve the following: 1. A Master signing key 2. A subkey signing/enc pair for my normal machine 3. A subkey signing/enc pair for e.g. my mobile device Now the following problem arises (at least from the reading I have

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread vedaal
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Martin Behrendt martin-gnupg-us...@dkyb.de wrote:Hi, I want to achieve the following: 1. A Master signing key 2. A subkey signing/enc pair for my normal machine 3. A subkey signing/enc pair for e.g. my mobile device What I want to do is to have a

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Martin Behrendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 13.03.2014 16:42, schrieb ved...@nym.hush.com: On Thursday, March 13, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Martin Behrendt martin-gnupg-us...@dkyb.de wrote:Hi, I want to achieve the following: 1. A Master signing key 2. A subkey signing/enc pair for my

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 03/13/2014 12:30 PM, Martin Behrendt wrote: Am 13.03.2014 16:42, schrieb ved...@nym.hush.com: = You can let all your correspondents know that they can encrypt simultaneously to all 3 of your keys that have the same e-mail address (assuming that you give them the fingerprints and long

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Martin Behrendt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 13.03.2014 17:39, schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: what is the advantage of this approach? what threat are you trying to defend against? I'll work from the assumption that you are worried that an attacker might compromise one of your

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
I still can read messages friend send me, which are only encrypted to e.g. make mass surveillance harder. Your proposed solution won't work. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the state of things. So far there's no credible reporting that any government is doing mass surveillance of email

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message Hi On Thursday 13 March 2014 at 2:31:06 PM, in mid:1730446.9J4b6oayU7@inno, Hauke Laging wrote: gpg --recipient 0xD4BC64B8\! I've never see it with a backslash before the exclamation mark.

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 03/13/2014 06:17 PM, MFPA wrote: On Thursday 13 March 2014 at 2:31:06 PM, in mid:1730446.9J4b6oayU7@inno, Hauke Laging wrote: gpg --recipient 0xD4BC64B8\! I've never see it with a backslash before the exclamation mark. What does the backslash add? it tells your shell to avoid

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Do 13.03.2014, 22:17:08 schrieb MFPA: gpg --recipient 0xD4BC64B8\! I've never see it with a backslash before the exclamation mark. What does the backslash add? That has nothing to do with GnuPG it is for the Shell. man bash: History expansions are introduced by the appearance of the

Re: Multiple Subkey Pairs

2014-03-13 Thread David Shaw
On Mar 13, 2014, at 6:17 PM, MFPA 2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message Hi On Thursday 13 March 2014 at 2:31:06 PM, in mid:1730446.9J4b6oayU7@inno, Hauke Laging wrote: