Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Jean-David Beyer
On 06/11/2013 12:23 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: On 6/10/2013 11:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Of course he did not seriously propose the idea as a real course of action. But it is interesting to think about. I drive a Mustang GT with enough engine work to make it genuinely dangerous to

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Jean-David Beyer
On 06/11/2013 12:23 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: On 6/10/2013 11:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Of course he did not seriously propose the idea as a real course of action. But it is interesting to think about. I drive a Mustang GT with enough engine work to make it genuinely dangerous to

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread vedaal
I drive a GMC Suburban, terrible gas mileage, but roomy and relatively sturdy if there is an unavoidable accident by someone driving too fast, or out of control, and slamming into me. (Have walked away unharmed, with a minor tail-light cover break, while the other car was totaled. (Driver wore a

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.netwrote: But none of that will work on my Prius. as much as I like cars,before this list turns into Top Gear, can we get this thread back *on track* please? TIA... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Avi
You mean that you we should clutch to the main topic and brake any off-topic tangents before they drive the thread completely off-road? Or are you just tire_d of how these threads wheel around with no differential between the main theme and non-themes, and no filter to steer the thread back to one

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:15:08 -0400 Avi articulated: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net wrote: But none of that will work on my Prius. as much as I like cars,before

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread NdK
Il 11/06/2013 16:10, ved...@nym.hush.com ha scritto: (It might attract also a criminal element clientele and be fairly profitable, but then law enforcement can try to go the hardware key-logger route.) As long as decryption is done client-side (I've used JS libraries that could do RSA2048 in a

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 10 June 2013 10:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit hhhob...@securemecca.net wrote: My personal observations agrees with Rob Hansen's studies 100%. Even when required to use encryption people hate doing it and their concept is entirely focused on the ciphering with them thinking that people who use

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Zece
Henry Hertz Hobbit hhhob...@securemecca.net: I think I will watch the programs on the D-Day veterans so I can get out of this time warp factor we are in right now for a while. Those people back then weren't stupid. They cracked the Enigma, the Lorenz, and most of the Japanese codes as well.

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Reference: From: Zece z...@riseup.net Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:19:39 + Cut the crap. This list is for GPG encryption. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-11 Thread Henry Hertz Hobbit
On 06/10/2013 08:46 AM, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: snip is because for what ever reason they want to complain like mad about Prism but then go to Facebook and broadcast their personal lives to the entire world. Why? I would like to say I don't know why and that it could be used for a doctoral

Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Henry Hertz Hobbit
My personal observations agrees with Rob Hansen's studies 100%. Even when required to use encryption people hate doing it and their concept is entirely focused on the ciphering with them thinking that people who use encryption are trying to hide something. They don't even begin to understand that

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Jan Eden
Well... most people in 1940 were not capable of cracking the Enigma or even aware of encryption technology. In fact, most human beings are stupid in that they do not seek to understand the inner workings of systems around them. This is simply a pragmatic approach: As long as something works as

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Johan Wevers
On 10-06-2013 10:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: Nobody but me uses my signatures on the stuff I deliver. It isn't because my keys aren't part of the WOT. It is because for what ever reason they want to complain like mad about Prism but then go to Facebook and broadcast their personal lives

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:40:07PM +0200, Johan Wevers wrote: On 10-06-2013 10:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: Nobody but me uses my signatures on the stuff I deliver. It isn't because my keys aren't part of the WOT. It is because for what ever reason they want to complain like mad

Fwd: Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Jean-David Beyer
Sorry, I sent it privately by mistake... Original Message Subject: Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:59:59 -0400 From: Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net Organization: Institute for Regimented Whimsey To: Johan Wevers

Re: Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.netwrote: In fact, most no longer use e-mail, but Facebook, Twitter, and so on. Well, you must have a valid working e-mail address to sign up to any of the above mentioned. When they want to reset their passwords, they are

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Mark Rousell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/06/2013 09:46, Henry Hertz Hobbit wrote: My personal observations agrees with Rob Hansen's studies 100%. Even when required to use encryption people hate doing it and their concept is entirely focused on the ciphering with them thinking

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Jean-David Beyer
On 06/10/2013 03:39 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: I just wanted to say that you have neatly encapsulated my feelings on the subject: Stupid is in vogue. My concern is that it will be for a long time to come. It is ironic that technology is, to a considerable extent, what has made it possible. So

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.netwrote: He said the added complexity would have two benefits: I've said for years that in the ages of dial-up internet, particularly the DOS+Windows 3.x years, people had a barrier of entry in getting a dial-up modem,

Re: Why OpenPGP is not wanted - stupid is in vogue right now

2013-06-10 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/10/2013 11:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Of course he did not seriously propose the idea as a real course of action. But it is interesting to think about. I drive a Mustang GT with enough engine work to make it genuinely dangerous to unprepared drivers. When I was taking a couple of