Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-03 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:40, konstan...@linuxfoundation.org said: > When this happens, a maintainer who tries to verify a signed pull > request will have the operation fail, so they need to have a way to > force-refresh the developer's key. I would say this is the #1 workflow Agreed. A signature

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-02 Thread Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users
Hi Konstantin, On 02.07.2019 21:40, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: Most subkey changes that I am aware of are not due to people's old subkeys expiring, but because they add new ones for reasons like migrating between smartcard solutions or just being nerdy and picking a new ECC-based subkey.

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-02 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:41:41PM +0200, Werner Koch via Gnupg-users wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:27, konstan...@linuxfoundation.org said: - subkey changes An expired key triggers a reload of the key via WKD or DANE. Modulo the problems I mentioned in the former mail. For new subkeys we

WKD refreshing (was: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD)

2019-07-02 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Am Montag 01 Juli 2019 18:33:41 schrieb Werner Koch via Gnupg-users: > I consider to change this so that gpg always tries to update > an expired key via the WKD. To add to this: The idea for WKD was to be able to improve the algorithm when a new search is done. It is just obvious that the

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD

2019-07-01 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:27, konstan...@linuxfoundation.org said: > - subkey changes An expired key triggers a reload of the key via WKD or DANE. Modulo the problems I mentioned in the former mail. For new subkeys we have a problem unless we do a regular refresh similar to what should be done

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Werner Koch via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:13, gnupg-users@gnupg.org said: > distribution keys in Gentoo. However, the main problem with WKD right > now is that AFAIK GnuPG doesn't support refreshing existing keys via WKD Actually gpg updates expired keys via WKD. However, to not break things and not to go out

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Brian Minton
I'm kind of a corner case, but I can't use wkd because I don't control my top level domain for my email. I also can't use DANE for the same reason. I can and do use DNS CERT records because it allows a second-level domain. I suppose this has been discussed to death, but wouldn't it make sense

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Brian Minton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Oops, forgot to sign it. I'm kind of a corner case, but I can't use wkd because I don't control my top level domain for my email. I also can't use DANE for the same reason. I can and do use DNS CERT records because it allows a second-level

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 03:13:29PM +0200, Michał Górny via Gnupg-users wrote: The problem with autocrypt are the cases where its security measures are tested. There is not good way to interact with the users in those cases. I know this is not parts of its design goals, but it works against a

Re: distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Michał Górny via Gnupg-users
On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 12:18 +0200, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > Am Montag 01 Juli 2019 01:36:41 schrieb Robert J. Hansen: > > Now we've got Autocrypt, WKD, and Hagrid: of these Autocrypt is probably the > > most mature and the easiest for email users. > > The problem with autocrypt are the cases

distributing pubkeys: autocrypt, hagrid, WKD (Re: Your Thoughts)

2019-07-01 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Am Montag 01 Juli 2019 01:36:41 schrieb Robert J. Hansen: > Now we've got Autocrypt, WKD, and Hagrid: of these Autocrypt is probably the > most mature and the easiest for email users. The problem with autocrypt are the cases where its security measures are tested. There is not good way to