Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07.06.2012 19:52, Robert J. Hansen wrote: On 6/7/12 12:32 PM, Werner Koch wrote: That is actually a bit funny: I never asked anyone to sign that key. Probably they deduced the correctness from my regular key which I used to sign the above key.

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 23:41, smick...@hotmail.com said: Another thing is that downloading the key from that link you provided is no guarantee of safety in and of itself either because the page is not being hosted over SSL with confirmed identity information. So That is not relevant. The key

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Mark Rousell
On 07/06/2012 11:27, Werner Koch wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:54, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: If you look at my OpenPGP mail header you will be pointed to a “finger” address - enter it into your web browser (in case you don't know what finger is) and you will see Just as an aside, I

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Please consider trimming your quotes. The amount that's going on here strikes me as pretty excessive. I'm not standing on a chair and screaming that you're doing it wrong, of course: this is just a friendly request to please trim your quotes. :) The whole idea behind the web of trust is that

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread michael crane
On Sat, June 9, 2012 10:28 am, Mark Rousell wrote: On 07/06/2012 11:27, Werner Koch wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:54, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: If you look at my OpenPGP mail header you will be pointed to a “finger” address - enter it into your web browser (in case you don't know what

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 02:22, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Some might shake their heads and say no, it's not: you only verified you were speaking with *a* Werner Koch who had access to *the* Werner Koch's email address, not that you were speaking to *the* Werner Koch. So how /do/ you verify that you have the

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Sven Radde
Hi! Perhaps it would be worthwhile to add a question to the signing process: Have you met this person face-to-face and verified his/her identity? (y/N) If the user answers no, display a warning that the user probably wants to lsign, not to sign, and give the option of making an lsign

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Mark Rousell
On 09/06/2012 12:05, michael crane wrote: On Sat, June 9, 2012 10:28 am, Mark Rousell wrote: On 07/06/2012 11:27, Werner Koch wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 21:54, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: If you look at my OpenPGP mail header you will be pointed to a “finger” address - enter it into your

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 07:21 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: So how /do/ you verify that you have the distribution key for GnuPG? By fiat. You go through some mechanism and at the completion declare, I am satisfied that the likelihood of this *not* being the correct distribution key is quite low. I'm not

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 09:44 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: It doesn't really matter how many Werner Kochs there are. Sure it does. As an absurdist thought experiment... An anecdote might work better than an absurdist thought experiment, come to think of it... = In the United States, the

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 15:44, Robert J. Hansen wrote: I'm not weighing in on what the mechanism should be: I don't get to declare what anyone else's policy should be. I was under the impression you did. I interpreted your mail and particularly the statement but this either is or isn't a proper

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 11:05 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: your reply, I understand now you did not mean it like that. I was already quite puzzled about my interpretation because it didn't sound like you :). Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. :) Funnily, we're saying the same thing. You

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 17:17, Robert J. Hansen wrote: My bootstrap is I trust my Linux distribution. My distro is a trusted software provider, in the traditional security sense of a trusted provider. If I receive software from an official Fedora repo and it is signed by the repo release team, that's

Gpg4win

2012-06-09 Thread John
When I installed Gpg4win, it came with GnuPG v2.0.17. I am not sure when it will be updated to include v2.0.19, but I was wondering whether there would be any problem from substituting the new version of gpgv2.exe for the older one? Thanks. ___

Re: Gpg4win

2012-06-09 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09.06.2012 19:35, John wrote: When I installed Gpg4win, it came with GnuPG v2.0.17. I am not sure when it will be updated to include v2.0.19, but I was wondering whether there would be any problem from substituting the new version of gpgv2.exe

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread michael crane
On Sat, June 9, 2012 2:29 pm, Mark Rousell wrote: snipped What types of processes are forbidden by DreamHost? [deletia] Err.. sorry, not following you. :-) Who is using Dreamhost and what has it got to do with the finger protocol? Werner doesn't seem to be using Dreamhost for what it's

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 06/09/2012 11:57 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: Suppose you would want to build from the vanilla source downloaded from gnupg.org and signed by Werner Koch (dist sig), how would you verify authenticity of that key? I don't understand where this question is going. I would find some trusted path,

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 20:05, michael crane wrote: I'm using dreamhost. I appreciated that it seems quite handy to have all that random characters stuff outside of the message body and I was pointing out that it it is not universally accepted to have daemon thingys like finger running so limiting the

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 09/06/12 20:47, Robert J. Hansen wrote: On 06/09/2012 11:57 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: Suppose you would want to build from the vanilla source downloaded from gnupg.org and signed by Werner Koch (dist sig), how would you verify authenticity of that key? I don't understand where this

Re: can someone verify the gnupg Fingerprint for pubkey?

2012-06-09 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 6/9/2012 4:14 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: Where the question is going is rather simple: what would you recommend Joe Average User to do to verify the authenticity of the GnuPG source he downloaded, not questioning his desire to build from that source. Ah, I see. I apologize for not