Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Jan Velterop
So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping.  A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere, is that subscriptions somehow are priced linearly. That if 10% of the papers are OA, and paid for on behalf or by the author, the

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
I cannot find -- in Jan's explanation, below, of the nonlinear nature of subscription journal pricing -- the response to the pair of points I raised. So I will try to repeat them, in context: (1) Yes, if and when subscriptions are all cancelled, and journals have downsized to providing only the

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Heather Morrison
On 5-Jul-09, at 4:37 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping. A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere, is that subscriptions somehow are priced linearly. Comment: Publisher revenue is

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Dana Roth
Two thoughts here 1) shouldn't an increase in the size of the journal be factored into the discussion before making the 'double-dipping' charge and 2) PLOS One has published ~6000 articles while the Journal of Biological Chemistry (and probably several others) have published almost 10,000

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Bill Hooker
Heather Morrison: If 10% of last year's revenue stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, departments, etc., should not support the publication charges. While I have seen publishers claim that OA uptake is

Beyond Romary Armbruster On Institutional Repositories

2009-07-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
** Apologies for Cross-Posting ** Fullly hyperlinked version of this posting: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/606-guid.html Critique of: Romary, L Armbruster, C. (2009) Beyond Institutional Repositories.

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Heather Morrison
Clarification: PLoS One is among the world's largest journals, anticipating publication of about 4,800 articles in 2009 - it is not THE largest journal, at least not yet. If anyone has data about average annual output of the world's largest journals, that would be most helpful. If PLoS One does

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Walker,Thomas J
Heather Morrison: If 10% of last year's revenue stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, departments, etc., should not support the publication charges. [Bill Hjooker:} While I have seen publishers claim

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Dana Roth
PLOS One at 4800 articles in 2009 will clearly be one of the largest journals, only PHYS REV B (5782) and APPL PHYS LETT (5449) published more articles in 2008. Other journals in the 'largest' category, with their 2008 article counts, are: J APPL PHYS (4168) PHYS REV LETT (3905) J BIOL